It still amazes me to see people cry over the Thorn. I never saw anything wrong with it in the Thorn days and still don't today other than it has less range now and it hasn't been pulled fwd yet so I just have mine as a blueprint right now. The only thing good about the Thorn is the DOT other than that it still takes just as many shots as other guns to kill just as many head shots just as many body shots.