I'm guessing most of the crybabies are people like me who hardly play pvp, and suck at it. I only played a few teams using thorn, and they were good players for the most part. A few "tryhard" teams with thorns and alpha lupis. I expect to lose to those teams because they are better then me. So point is: move on! Stop worrying about what other people are playing with. If you lose, get better or get use to it.