Auto Rifles are performing fairly poorly in the Crucible right now, and don't come at me with that goddamn Doctrine; it has TWO of the best stability perks in the game, a stat mod that improves it further and is a member of the 100 ROF club.
I'm talking about EVERY other Auto Rifle; the ones with high impact, meant to be used at mid range, the middling ROF class and the (oh wait, Bungie didn't include any other high ROF legendary Autos in TTK). All of these Auto Rifles are completely useless without Counterbalance AND the best possible stability mods.
This kind of perfectionism on a gun is impossible; you'll never find that paleocontact with ALL the right things, and even then you get screwed over by the high ROF Doctrine. Auto Rifles need a large stability improvement, and the high ROF class needs a moderate range nerf (where the hell do you think it's meant to be used?). There is just no incentive to choose one of the lower ROF Autos because you know you'll be missing just as many shots as that blind Doctrine user who thinks the meta is fine; he'll just be putting more out.
It sounds like a rant, because it probably is. The Doctrine of Passing is the only competitive Auto Rifle in Destiny concurrently, and this is due to a blue moon of perks, the likes of which allow it to shine where and how Auto Rifles should. Impact, ROF and (to a reasonable extent) Range are fine right now; all Auto Rifles need to make them both a viable and competitive choice is a reasonable stability increase across the board, so perks like Counterbalance and Braced Frame aren't NEEDED to make the guns function, never mind perform.
Too often do people assume that, because it's greatest denominator (Doctrine) is working well that all guns in that class are doing the same; they aren't, and this is ignoring the barrel upgrade damage increases offered by the exotics.
I feel like this is a relatively simple, easy to implement change, please work on this.
(P.S: More Handcannon ammo k thx)
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Doctrine is a beast, but I made 40 kills using Haakon's Hatchet in rift earlier today. I don't know what you're talking about.
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It's funny because they're fine.
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Zhalo....
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I agree. Maybe people will actually use SUROS Regime if that's the case. I haven't seen it in a month.
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Doctrine of Passing is OP and should be nerfed to hell. But leave all the others as they are.
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Lol as I read the first sentence I thought, doctrine, then you said don't bring up doctrine lol
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I feel like every weapon sucks compared to The Last Word.
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All these silly guardians using the doctrine, havent used Atheons Epilogue, glass half full makes its TTK insane.
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Wanna talk buffs? Let's buff handcannons
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I agree. Ill add this also. Anyone who can kill consistently with d.o.p is a solid player and can probably kill others with crap weapons. D.o.p is a pea shooter and is just as bad as any other pea shooter if the players know how to counter it.
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THEY NEED MORE THEN A GOD DAMN .04% BUFF BUNGIE! GRT THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS!
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Doctrine you idiot
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Dude, I love my Fabian strategy, my sweet ass arminius-d and sometimes I pull out my IB 1 silimar's wrath just for s's and g's. auto rifles need a slight boost to range and a (not .4) boost to damage, which, when you think about it, actually weakens it:) 3% would be a good damage boost.
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Bump!!#
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Dude I use a dead orbit AR and omg it eats people in the PvP. that's all I use besides MMT or even Grasp of Malic pretty sweet. Thanks Geronimo
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Zhalo supercell has been working well for me.
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If you can get the precision hits autos melt people. Team fife with autos also destroy
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A lot you are missing the point. A lot of you are saying hard light and Monte Carlo are still great. Those are the archetypes he said are fine the way they are. He's talking about low ROF high impact weapons and the mediums ROF and impact weapons (think suros regime with focused fire).
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Sorry, but the statistics don't support your argument at all.
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Hard light rips it up. What you talkin bout
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Nah Monte Carlo seems to be doing just fine for me thanks
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I miss the days when high impact AR's were king. That said it doesn't need to come back, but all AR's should be on par with one another and competitive, they just need a little more buffing, not much but still just a little more.
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They was improved by .04%! Didnt you noticed?
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There are more in the 100/2 impact class than the doctrine. The gunsmith sells one. There are a lot of blues in that class. Doctrine is used because it always rolls with braced frame and persistence.