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Edited by DirtMerchant:
2/3/2016 12:55:17 AM
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Landfall Balance
Hey everyone this is DirtMerchant LC and I am a bubble wielder in the crucible. In My experience, the bubble seems to be the universal counter to most supers if used properly. However, there are a few abilities in the game that seem to give my enemy an unfair advantage. My main concern is the Storm Caller's Landfall ability. There is no super in the entire game that can kill a defender without using at least 50% of the users energy on the bubble first. Storm Trance is the only exception to this rule. Landfall bursts the defender's bubble upon activation and gives no penalty to the Warlock's super duration. This mechanic appears to be an unfair advantage for Storm Callers. If this ability only blinded targets (and maybe did 50-75 damage) it would still be desirable, and fair to other guardians.
My other concern was the implication of the striker's "Peregrine Grieves" into year two. The reason why this exotic armor should be re evaluated is because of its ability to effortlessly one shot a defender with ARMOR of light. The bubble is a stationary super and does have its tactical advantages if placed at the right time or place. A striker with peregrine grieves however can shoulder charge a defender 100% of the time in his bubble. Also keep in mind with the latest shotgun range nerf in taken king, it is nearly impossible for the Defender to kill the charging titan before he gets to him. In my opinion, it should take a super to kill another person with a super (with the exception of surprising / ganging up on the super charged enemy). This exotic boot appears to be a "go to" crutch for strikers to kill enemy defenders. I feel this would be more balanced if the exotic only took away the armor of light shield upon hit, and required the striker to be in the air for 5 seconds before giving the extra shoulder charge damage. This way both sides can be happy: The shoulder charge can still get a large damage buff, and Defenders (along with other types of supers) can have a better chance to react to the striker in the air before getting one shot with a shoulder charge (that has no cool down time). Your opinion (regardless if you agree with me or not) is important to me. Please leave your feedback and don't forget to watch my video :)
** EDIT** PLEASE NOTE: This video was made before the sun breaker armor nerf. However the landfall topic is still relevant.**
newer version of this issue: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/189778280
Sincerely,
DirtMerchant LC
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1 ReplyPoor reaction time maybe? I have been shotgunned to death trying to shoulder charge a defender in his bubble or when in mine the Titan managed to get me. If we are talking regular Crucible Shoulder Charge one shots all supers, but so can Blink Strike with its exotic (correct if wrong please but swear I have been stabbed by blink as Sunbreaker and was merc'ed). If it's Trials/Iron Banana even with the Grieves there have been many times I have not one shot a Guardian and the difference in my light and theirs is 4% at most which shouldn't have them have full Heath but no shields. Instead of calling for more nerfs, how about just having your class updated? I say roll Armour of Light & Blessing of Light into one perk because I always found having both kind of redundant but to balance it out when you leave the bubble the shield decays. Create a whole new perk that's got mobile defense. Maybe give everyone an overshield that's 80% as strong as Blessing of Light that's near you that can be recovered withing X amount of time so long as it isn't broken.
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https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/184007169/0/0 great post
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1 ReplyAgree you make a good point
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First off landfall is a perk you have to take unless you have impossible machines. Secondly you have to have great aim to pop a titan bubble. I think it's about time they gave use a way of shutting down the bubble. It in itself can be a pretty unfair advantage. Stormcaller a are one of the easiest supers to shut down.
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what if peregrine greaves increase in damage the longer you're in the air so you'd see a titan skating to you far in the distance before they can get the OHK so there's counterplay but the striker can keep the high damage It'd be the trade off and the striker could gain even more damage at the very end of their shoulder charge windup for extra pve value and to kill radiant skin sunsingers
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4 RepliesNeeds to do less damage. It can 1 shot other supers at this point. I was killed in bladedancer by landfall multiple times when blade should always beat storm trance in a 1v1 while storm is better against multiple infer range opponents.
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Peregrine greaves can one shot every super. Not that this is the question your bringing up. Once you activate your bubble, your just a guy standing in it.
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We have 2 things that Can help 1. Make that the defender bubble cant be destroyed by other supers or 2 nerf landfall to the ground beacuse if you think about It it takes about half of the game to get your bubble you pop It then a golden Gun comes and takes out the bubble and you so not fair
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what if peregrine greaves increase in damage the longer you're in the air so you'd see a titan skating to you far in the distance before they can get the OHK so there's counterplay but the striker can keep the high damage It'd be the trade off and the striker could gain even more damage at the very end of their shoulder charge windup for extra pve value and to kill radiant skin sunsingers
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3 Replieshttps://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/184386470/0/0 Check it out. Thank you! & [spoiler]if there's anything I have learned from being a weekly feedback poster pretty much from day one, is, paragraphs yo! Use them more! Lol[/spoiler]
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1 ReplyThe landfall ability sucks in my opinion, chained lightning is so much more effective
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2 Replies*cough* *cough* arc blade ignores the bubble altogether.
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7 RepliesNo! Fûck you pussies hiding in a bubble with a shotgun or heavy. Thanks for the good info about what class -blam!-s you pussies up. The buffs you bitch ass defenders got was unnecessary. Now I'm gonna specifically run storm trance when I use a warlock.
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2 RepliesI landfalled on so many people that [i]didn't[/i] die it's not even funny.
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There was 5 people on the spark yesterday and I aimed down with land fall and guess how many died?? [spoiler]none! [/spoiler]
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4 RepliesWhile I agree concerning Landfall I have yet to see Strikers with Peregrine Greaves in Crucible.
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The landfall ability sucks in my opinion, chained lightning is so much more effective
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1 ReplyAs a devout warlock main I must admit you would have to be insane to say that's balanced.
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2 RepliesReally ?? I love to see a titan bubble when I am A sun breaker Pop a hammer and watch the scrubs burn!
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Bungie needs to give u a job. Bumb
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1 ReplyI would like for it to take 100% of a super to pop a bubble, that way it forces you to enter the super to combat the defender
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No the only problem is that landfall is OP as shit and bungie are -blam!-ing unfair to nerf sunbreaker not FAIR
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Landfall shouldn't even be a thing as well as health regen and duration.
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Bump.
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1 ReplyI melt you away with my vortex Grenade and smoke I don't need a worthless warlock to kill you
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