This is killing PvP for me and a lot of players in the Destiny community. [b](TL;DR is down below)[/b]
Skill based match making is matching people with "Equal" skill even if it's across continents and that just put lag on a whole new level. There should be ranked playlist and dedicated servers if they want to introduce skill-based matchmaking, so, for now, they should reintroduce connection based match making.
Crucible is so sweaty, and it requires you to give the game 100% percent concentration if you want to win a match, which just ruins the fun in playing it in the first place.
If you are in the higher ranks and want to use any other guns than the meta=RIP
If you play with play with some of your friends who aren't as good=RIP
Bungie the last two COD games tried skill based match making and have failed miserably (For example Advanced Warfare)
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[i]TL; DR= Replace skill based matchmaking with connection based matchmaking before it's too late.[/u]
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Bungie needs to listen to the community and go back to connection based matchmaking because of the Lag and crucible feeling more of a chore than it being fun. This is a casual game, and if you want it to be competitive then you got to introduce Private matches, dedicated servers and ranked playlist.
[u][b]Guys please if you agree please sign and upvote this so people can see. Leave a comment about why you also hate SBMM. If you disagree with this post or some parts of this post please leave me a detailed comment explaining why.
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If we want Destiny to be saved then we got to start somewhere important. Let your voices be heard!
(Also, tell me if there are any grammatical mistakes or any spelling mistakes)
[b]EDIT: Wow you guys are awesome! Keep signing and bumping so hopefully Bungie could see this and the many other posts out there.[/b]
[b]EDIT: Please also do not forget to Upvote or click the like button on this post so more people can see this, thank you.[/b]
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EDIT: 550+ Upvotes? Damn guys keep doing what you are doing. Bungie will have to see this. [/b]
For the people that are saying "Oh now it's competitive, wow the horror."
Then this is what I personally have to say to you
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Have you seen the crucible lately? It's latency issues are on a whole new level because of SBMM. A game like this with no dedicated servers should just stick to P2P connections which you clearly can't comprehend. I could play competitively when I want to feel like it. I organize scrims against competitive people all the time. But when I want to win matches.and have fun, I do not want to sweat and concentrate 100% for the whole watch just to have a chance at winning. It's funny if you actually think Destiny with no crucible balance, no dedicated servers, no ranked playlist, and no private matches could be competitive. [/quote]
This is gold
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The pure idiocy is they've removed the fun of occasionally having an easier or harder match. It's sweaty all the time, especially if you improve. And further proof of the idiocy is this: where is the reward system that matches the SBMM? So you're going to give people more difficult matches, but reward them with a mote of light? Pull your head out of your ass Bungie,[/quote]
By IronChalice
For the "special people" that think SBMM is fine and you the top tier players or any players should be forced into laggy games so they don't play against people close to them. Please I challenge you to go read this great post https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/188142897/0/0
[u][i][b]EDIT: We have around 1600+ Signatures and Bumps. Let's hope Bungie sees this. Tweet this at them. Anything. Just keep Upvoting, bumping, and signing. If you disagree, please don't be ignorant because you post. Read what I and the people in this post are saying before speaking out. I would love to hear everyone's opinion but make it detailed. [/b][/i][/u]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHVAYD-jWfY A video I found on Reddit. It's an SBMM Lagtage
Best comment IMO
[quote]I'm not against skilled based matchmaking.
Especially if it was clear what skill was rated on.
Halo 3, in my opinion, had the best skilled based matchmaking, I'm all for it if it can be replicated.
In order for this to work, though, casual needs to be separated from ranked play. Casual players don't want to play hard and ranked players don't want to be sweaty all the time.
I chose when I want to go hard, and I believe the majority of the player base does the same.[/quote]
[u][b]By The Medic44[/b][/u]
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EDIT: Keep on Upvoting, bumping, sharing, commenting, tweeting, anything. Bungo needs to see this clear flaw with PvP and how this alone could kill Destiny. I don't care about the content shortage if it means I can have fun in PvP but now I can't even do that. Bungie, you are killing your own game by not listening to us![/b][/u][/i]
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EDIT: OMG 900+ Upvotes and no Bungie. BUNGO SAY SOMETHING. ANYTHING. GET RID OF SBMM. The majority wants it. Guys keep doing what you are doing. We need to get 1000 Upvotes so hopefully BUNGIE can see people don't want SBMM[/b][/u][/i]
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HUGE EDIT:Guys, an update about matchmaking!
https://www.bungie.net/7_Matchmaking-Updates/en/News/News?aid=14278
Matchmaking will have more emphasis on connection starting WEDNESDAY. ONLY in Iron Banner. They will analyze that and then roll the matchmaking changes out to more Crucible playlists over time.
We have yet to see if these changes will fix the issues, but this looks like a partial win with a full win incoming at an unspecified date.
People, PLAY the EFF out if IB after Wednesday's update goes live. Let's let them know with our play time that we want the matchmaking to be CONNECTION based first, skill second.[/quote]
[u][b]By Irivingjohn 1985[/b][/u]
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1000+ Signatures and Bungie finally said something. But it's a beta test, or it would feel like it so please PLAY THE EFF OUT OF IT AND TELL BUNGIE YOU LIKE IT. THIS PETITION HAS ACCOMPLISHED WHAT IT WAS MADE FOR SO THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR SIGNING, BUMPING, AND COMMENTING. Tell Bungie you like the new matchmaking, if you like it, please. Someone else should make a petition asking for Bungie to keep the matchmaking if it's good.
As for now I have done my job.[/b][/i]
[b]WE -blam!-ING WON BOYS AND GIRLS. LET'S GO[/b]
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Edited by LordTears2Roses: 1/24/2016 6:26:44 PMperfect now if they merge this and the 2 threads with triples videos in to one im sure that will get bungies attention (it will have well over 2k comments and over 515 likes :)
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Thank you guys for signing guys! Hopefully Bungie sees this big issue like we do.
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Trials of Osiris is more casual than regular crucible pvp now. I live on the west coast. Try to get your pvp bounties done after 10pm without a fireteam. Good luck....
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another bump, just doing my part ;)
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Posted this in another thread, but I'll leave it here too Don't worry, despite appearances Bungie know exactly what they are doing. Implement SBMM just before the xmas newb intake to protect them. Remove SBMM in February and get credit for listening to the player's complaints.
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I get why you're pissed, why you don't like SBMM, and why you made this petition. But dude, I'm sorry, your petition will fall on deaf ears and Bungie will change nothing. This is clearly a move that favours their plans for the game and they won't do shit, regardless of how many people hate it and voice their opinion. They could remove 99% of the content from this already content-starved game and people would still play the shit out of it, people would still complain, and nothing would change.
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Edited by Brazello: 1/24/2016 5:57:55 PMOn a side note. I wouldn't mind waiting a little longer on a trials matchup if it means I'll actually get connected to someone that isn't on the other side of the planet
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Edited by bb94: 1/24/2016 5:55:46 PMFunny how Trials is pretty laid back now. More so than the regular playlists. Signed 150%. Ranked and Unranked playlists would be ideal IMHO.
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Connection based please. Then add private matches. Skill based as seperate mode.
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There is no skill in destiny
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I don't even care about the constant "sweaty games" so much it's the endless lag and glitches that have appeared in the last couple months that make Crucible unbearable, the lag in particular that has accompanied SBMM has effectively ruined Crucible. I didn't really get into Crucible until around the time House of Wolves came out but ever since I've been playing Crucible daily and now I don't even want to start up Destiny because Crucible is unplayable in it's current state and PVE is frankly unrewarding and boring now (I know most liked TTK PVE content and I enjoyed it for a couple weeks but VOG and Crota were the PVE glory days IMO). As I did, I believe most of the OG players and core fan base of Destiny have shifted towards Crucible. If Bungie cares about building loyalty towards this franchise they better start listening to the players who invest time into this game and spend less time trying to convince us that their "data" knows what's good for us.
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Bungie won't listen. Most they'll do is deej post some real arduous paragraph promoting diversity and togetherness amongst the community. by the time you're done reading it you've forgotten about the petition.