The players play a big part by only using "OP" guns, then coming on the forum and bitching trying to get the guns nerfed. And this goes on and on forever until destiny has slowly and painfully fully died. But the real problem is that bungie has no -blam!-ing clue how to balance a game worth two shits. What they need to do to fix this is completely overhaul the current system for pvp. They need to pick a time to kill and then balance everything to have that time to kill at its ideal range. If you're too close for the ideal range (think scouts) then it should be difficult to land shots. If you're outside the ideal range for your gun, you do less damage. If this sounds familiar it's because this is how it's [i]supposed[/i] to work. But bungie can't balance a game for shit. The perfect example is that people can bum rush with MIDA or basically snipe you with last word currently. If they could pull their head out of their ass and balance around that, people would have to pick a weapon type that fits how they want to play the game or change how they play. Everything would have its ideal situation and everything would be able to be countered. That guy sitting at the back of the map with a scout? Flank him to help close the gap. That guy bum rushing with autos? Stay out of choke spaces and pick him off before he can get close. This would also make weapon choice within weapon types vary more. Impact and fire rate are generally related and would push weapons into either spray and prey or careful aiming playstyles. Stability would slightly change a weapons ideal range by making shots easier or harder to land. So every gun is slightly different and would suit a slightly different playstyle. The only real "argument" is that "well such and such is exotic so it should be better" which is true in a way. But the gun should still have the same time to kill as everything else and the exotic perk should push it into a more unique role. Think last word vs first curse. They're both exotic, so why would their time to kill be different? Because right now it is. They each have their ideal range and the exotic perks make them different but they shouldn't have different time to kills when used at ideal range. Honestly, this shit is so simple I don't know how bungie let it get this -blam!-ed up. And no, I'm not saying nerf this or buff that, though some [b]slight[/b] nerfs and buffs would have to happen to actually bring balance to this game. *sighs* but this probably won't have a chance at happening until at least destiny two, and the way things are going I don't even think then because you know, this is a new bungie game. The reputation they built with halo is now gone, tarnished, and shit on. Welcome to the new bungie, where we give you shitty events designed to make you spend real money to collect bullshit cosmetics, cut content and overstate how much is actually in the game/dlc, don't test our products and don't know how to balance anything worth a shit. Rant over. ¯\_( ˘͡ ˘̯)_/¯ To anyone who made it this far, thank you. Here's a picture of a cat. ───▄▄─▄████▄▐▄▄▄▌ ──▐──████▀███▄█▄▌ ▐─▌──█▀▌──▐▀▌▀█▀ ─▀───▌─▌──▐─▌ ─────█─█──▐▌█ ...and the toilet you're probably sitting on. ───────███ ───────███ ▄█████▄█▀▀ ─▀█████ ──▄████▄