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1/22/2016 12:25:03 AM
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How are you supposed to counter a fist of havoc?

It's nothing more than a panic button. A goddamn panic button. It requires literally ZERO skill to kill people with it. You simply press a button and everyone around you dies in less than a second. Once the animation has been initiated, the only way to stop it is if you have a super, three rocket launchers, or a dozen shotguns already aimed at the guy. No other super activates that fast, so unless you have one already active, and are aiming at them, you've got pretty much no freaking chance of stopping it. What the hell are you supposed to do? Stay away from all titans at all times just in case one might have it ready? Killing a Titan before he has the chance to press the button doesn't work, as he'll simply have it ready the next time he respawns. It's simply not feasible to kill a Titan after the button's been pressed unless he's already severely wounded. Why the hell is it that whenever this is brought up on the forums, everyone jumps to its defense? The striker subclass is supposed to be unstoppable, I get it. What I don't like is how no other class has a super that's that goddamn effective. No other class has a super that, once activated, guarantees that everyone around you will die unless they either happen to have a super capable of killing you already active, or they have a fist of havoc that they can also use to survive the explosion. I know that these forums has a severe allergic reaction to the word "nerf", but I really think that Fist of Panic deserves it. At least make it so that in PVP it requires a second to charge before detonating, making their window of vulnerability slightly larger. "Press a button to instantly kill everyone around you." is OP in the crucible even amongst supers. It simply can't be countered by anything because once it's activated, you've got less than a second to react, which is not enough time to do anything capable of stopping it. Either give us a more time to counter it, or give the other classes a super each that is equally unstoppable. [b]To everyone who will inevitably side with the super and insult me in the comments below, I genuinely want to know how you can justify this. Every super has a bane, a weakness, except this one. GG has no armor and can easily be shut down, WoD can be countered by simply staying away from the bubble or blowing it up with another super, Stormcaller is easily noticable and thus gives players a chance to react and flee from it. Fist of Havoc has no weakness. If you're in range when it's activated, you will die.. If you disagree, I challenge you to explain a reliable method of not dying when you're in range of an incoming panic fist.[/b] Seriously, the only ways a FoH could actually NOT kill people is if they somehow belly flopped off the map, chose to waste it when there were no enemies around, or if they chose to belly flop at someone who already had GG aimed at them ready to fire. Also if someone reacted by activating their own belly flop so the armor would protect them, but that's assuming they're a titan and also have a ready-to-activate FoH. All of the above can be avoided with even the slightest bit of competence and should not be considered "weaknesses" of the super.

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  • Backstab.

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  • How to counter fist of havoc, see a Titan charging? Get your ass out of there, enjoy seeing your friends die after you run away.

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  • Well their perk is called Unstoppable and they're the tankiest class. If they're not Super tankier than everyone else at base it makes sense to have their tankiness emphasized during their Super's duration, especially considering just how short a time it lasts. You could try Twilight Garrison, but you'll really only be able to dodge Death From Above FoH's when they're activated further away. Up-close you're vulnerable, which is pretty obvious. They're the melee-range powerhouse. They deserve as much, at least. And for you calling it a panic button, Blink and Nova Bomb are also pretty much panic buttons. One's not lethal, but it's certainly saved someone's sorry ass from a bad call on more than one occasion.

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  • Give us our sunbreakers back before nerf and I'll give you much more to cry over...

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    • This is coming from a blade dancer... Arguably the best super for pvp... Pretty much overpowered when acompanied with blink... Wow...

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      • You're really bitching about a super that is meant for close quarters? Stop complaining. Play the game. Use a damn void walker, and yes a damn GG will shut a titan down mid super unless the are running unstoppable. Deal with it. No -blam!-in exotics to buff the striker in any way oh. One lets you superman and be invincible? But wait....he's in mid air for a slight second. Avoid him at that point. One grenade that is easily avoided. And a shoulder charge that doesn't connect 100% of the time? The Titans are already at the -blam!-in bottom. Go to your damn grimmoir and check what character you've killed more of. Tell me it's a -blam!-in titan and not a hunter. The chances are highly unlikely. The titan is the weakest if not a joke among the three.

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      • The only supers that should be counter-able are mobile supers. If someone "countered" every nova bomb I ever threw, I would have stopped playing way, WAY earlier.

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      • First off, every class has a super. If someone uses fist of Havok on just you, then they wasted it because other super will be getting multikills.

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      • Have you tried a nova bomb?

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      • Edited by Whubbsie: 1/23/2016 4:20:41 AM
        No it's the same as all the others, if you are caught unaware and in range you're screwed. Thing with fists is watch your radar, if you catch them running up early you do enough damage on them that you will finish them mid animation... So if you are somewhere you are likely to be FoHed (like a capture point) stay alert. If someone is coming in to contest, jump away before they get there so you won't get blindside from a foh dumped on you from around the corner. Other than that blink gets you further away so you need less reaction time. Close up like every other super if you are quick and shotgun them you will kill them before the animation is up. At distance if you're good with a sniper you can kill them before they finish an animation with a headshot and save your team mate. It's not op, all the supers have a range that if you're in it when triggered you're screwed

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      • You need to be on Shores of Time and provoke a FoH near that tree where heavy spawns outside. The Titan will get stuck on the bottom of the tree, while his fists still crackle with lightning - for all eternity.

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      • Cry havoc

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      • Scrub, return your system.

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      • 1st . Run away 2nd . If you see a titan running at you full speed , you should run 3rd . Shoot him 4th . Make a titan 5th . Quit crying 6th . Delete your account Great your ready for destiny

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      • *Sigh

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      • It call unstoppable and we love it!!!!

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      • Try it out some time see how easy it is to land it accurately. Just say'n.

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      • I see you do not play a Titan. Your reaction is understandable but it also demonstrates your lack of understanding. Like blade dancer Fist forces you to get up close and personal, no titan really wants to panic smash, we would prefer to run into a group and ruin their day or disable a super trying to run wild. I have been killed many times during the animation when I thought I shouldn't and also was unable to kill many whom I thought should have died in their animation. It is the last super you should be complaining about, I could give you several examples but you can realize it on your own if you choose to look at all the supers without the frustration you feel for getting tooled by fist. As a hunter and warlock you have the luxury of distance other than blade dancer which requires the same stones to use as fist. My guess is you favour gunslinger over blade dancer, because if you danced the blade more you would understand the risk and reward involved with closing with the enemy.

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      • Edited by XxWilson71xX: 1/23/2016 1:45:52 AM
        It's not as easy to use as you think Often I actually miss with it Then again I've only started using the subclass recently Plus statistically there's a 1/18 chance someone is using striker in a 6v6 game

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      • I swear they call it a "SUPER" for a reason...hmmm!

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      • Says this, doesn't have a Titan. That makes me soooo mad u need to -blam!-ing try it out

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      • Nova bomb

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        How is this post still around? Oh yeah - because everyone is telling you how wrong you are. It's great.

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        • You seriously hate Titans. I've seen multiple posts from you crying about them. You're definitely one of the reasons that hammers got over nerfed (no, I'm not saying that didn't need a nerf, but that the nerf went too far). Quit your bitching. Titans are supposed to be the bullet sponges in the game, yet get shit on by cry babies like you.

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        • Celestial night hawk

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        • Well since they buffed the unstoppable perk there is nothing you can do to stop it now. The only thing that use to work was a powerful shotgun but they needed those into the ground so there is NOTHING

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