Honestly for those of us over 315 you really don't need to cheese anything, my team and myself we just did it the intended way all along, honestly doesn't change the time anything takes and it's more fun that way, the cheeses ruined Crotas end and then when hard mode came out the forums were useless as no one could actually do it, Kings fall has remained a thing the "best" players in pve to grind our asses off, if this cheese becomes a mandatory thing it's just going to make it harder to get groups together that can actually do it, I'm all for teaming up with newer players to show them how to raid but I'm not going to cheese anything. Actually also wanted to bring up that everyone complained how shitty Crotas end was, I felt that the majority of players opinions on that raid was off of the cheese runs, the full legit way where every run runs the lamps and then standing on the plates to fight the ogres then the legit bridge, it's actually fun and was a challenge back then, really was a good raid.