I fail to see how it's a win.

Two casuals arguing about a purely subjective media. I never...

Na, dude. It got GOTY and sold well that means it's the greatest game ever. It's totally not a fallacy.

And I fail to see how pompous you are... Skyrim got GotY and to date is one of the best games ever made. Next to games like Red Dead Redemption, GoW1, CoD4 MW, Halo CE. Etc... Which *gasp*.. Didnt they win GotY in those respective years as well?.. Barking up the wrong tree, sir.

Um. No. First off, GOTY doesn't mean much. Look at this years title. Witcher 3 won, while there were many games just as good. Are you using other people's opinions to justify yours? Second, you just listed off games that, while good, don't come close to being some of the best ever made. Third, [b][i][u]many[/u][/i][/b] people agree that Skyrim is shit. Its popularity is bloated by Bethesdas fanboys who think they are infallible and make no mistakes(even though all of their games are chock full of them). Simple truth is, if Bethesda didn't make Skyrim, and nothing else changed, it would've been a 5/10 game. Fourth, I do not consider those to be the best games ever. Not even close. If you consider Skyrim to be the best game ever...I really do feel bad for you. Honestly. I consider games with rich lore, convincing game world, original content, fun combat, challenge, unique gameplay mechanics, good soundtrack, great level design, solid progression system, and in some way revolutionizes the franchise or genre. Skyrim hits none of these. Not at all for me. The level design for the dungeons is recycled. The soundtrack is generic. The lore is generic. The enemy design is boring. The combat is atrocious. The quest structure is horrid. The story is shit. It's Oblivion V2, doesn't at all revolutionize the genre. The game is one of the easiest I've ever played(beat all factions and main quest in ~30 hours of boredom). The progression system is broken. I don't know about you, but that is not "best game of all time." And you may disagree with me on some of these things because I understand we have differing opinions. But things I know most Skyrim lovers complain about are The bad combat The poor story The bad quest structure So no. It's not the best game of all time. Maybe it's [i]your[/i] best game of all time. Sorry, but a "big map with lotsa quests" means nothing to me if its shallow and hollow. But anyways, now that that is settled. My favorite games of all time are Dark Souls, Dark Souls 2, Bloodborne, Metroid Prime 1-3, Dead Space 1 and 2, Battlefield Bad Company 2, Gears of War 3... I like games that either revolutionize the genre, have depth to them, or are challenging. So no. I don't like Skyrim. Is that a problem for you? Does your opinion of the game change by this fact? Or do you form your opinions because of others opinions(bringing up GOTY awards to "prove me wrong.") And finally, you outright came at me for literally no reason. You're the reason I can't stand Skyrim fanboys. One little sentence can bring on a world of hate. Bye, bud.

Sales beg to differ. Only game that beat it that year was CoD. Bc we all know their fanboys throw money at the screen more then Destiny players. You keep throwing $60 to get the same, lame ass game. Over and over. And those games didn't revolutionize anything? Start with Halo. Health regen system and radar. Which everyone ripped off of that remotely made an FPS game, period. Thanks Halo! GoW1. Best story, hands down of the series. Best MP. And it brought new light not only to 3PS. But, to the whole duck and cover system. Didnt revolutionize then though. Red Dead Redemption. Best story of any Rockstar game to date. Only one that comes close to most RS fans is LA Noire. GTA hasn't done that since GTA 3. CoD4 MW. Is what started the Phoenix revival of that series,period. CoD would not be doing as good as it is without it. Again, like GoW1... Best story, best MP of any CoD in the series. These aren't opinions, they are fact. You have yours, yes. As do I. And I will agree BF BC2 was amazing. My most played BF game to date. I adore that game and want BC3 like crack. You came at me with a pointless, stupifying post attacking me for liking Skyrim as much as I do. And liking that someone just made a reference to it. That's all. Put out negative, receive negative. World still turns...

I was talking about Skyrim that entire post. But ok, bud. Skyrim was a repeat of Oblivion. You know it. You also know that I never said those games you said were bad. COD4 was the best in the series. Gow3 was much better than gow1. Better movement, gunplay, more competitive scene, better MP...but that's just me I'm only a die hard Gears fan, what do I know? Yeah I was just spewing false shit. Yup. Even though I clearly stated that was how I felt about Skyrim. And what do I get? A guy trying to justify his opinion with sales lmfao. Didn't even refute any of my claims and instead wrote it off as nonsense. Good one, bud. Didn't I say this would happen? Just expressing a difference of opinion to a Skyrim fan is the worst thing you can do on this planet, because clearly no other opinion exists, right? You blindly glossed over my comment and just heard what you wanted to hear. Nothing you can say can change my mind. I played the game. Thought it was shit. 4 years later, you can't say "oh but it sold well" and I'll instantly change my mind lmao. Never seen anybody try to justify their opinion so hard, rather than just saying, "oh well, I like it." And leaving it at that. Instead you needlessly insult me for literally no other reason than my opinion being different than yours. Did you even read my comment? Seriously. I'm being as civil as possible. All this started because I said "I fail to see how that[a comment quoting a game] is a win." And this guy jumps in with the hate train. You ignored the whole point of my comment, and went straight to sales and why the other games you mentioned are good. Never said they were bad. I said they aren't greatest games of all time. Literally nothing else. It stopped there. By your logic, is every game that won GOTY the greatest game of all time, or...? I never attacked you. I never attacked you for liking that guys comment lol. You said Skyrim was the greatest game ever and I told you why I didn't think so lmao. And I wasn't negative. I was negative towards the game because I am negative towards the game. Doesn't mean you gotta be a prick. Anyways, I can spot a narrow minded child from a mile away, so it's pointless carrying on this conversation. If you don't want to be mature, there's no sense talking to ya, bud.

I fail to see how you are more than a douchebag and internet troll. Gg