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Edited by Mad myall:
12/11/2015 4:06:44 AM
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People saying "b-b-but the money is needed to fund Bungie"
They got 25 million to pay for a $60 game totalling too $900 million when the games entire budget was $500 million over 10 years. Sony continuously pays Bungie for exclusive missions, weapons, armour, and advertising. Bungie has announced that the microtransactions were a great success.
Let's see what that gets us
-No dedicated servers
-updates can take anywhere from 3 months to 8 months
-lots of bugs, glitches, and issues in each iteration of the game are never fixed. Merely being ignored until the next DLC or expansion replaces the old content and then the cycle continues
-Playerbase is continuously ignored
-Balance seems like a dream (0.7% change in auto rifle damage, 0.04% for High ROF auto rifles which is likely the worst type of weapon in game)
-Bungie never admits fault
-grind
-dismal content in expansion made worse by removal of old content
-Timegated exotics as opposed to the epic quests we hoped for (community was looking for Sleeper and as their theories got more and more complex Bungie released the Sleeper without saying a word, they could have ended the chase anytime they wanted, but they didn't)
-events with some pretty lame quests and few added activities, (SRL adds 1 mode, 2 maps for a month (which mostly reuses past assets), and is not very well thought out)
-"free" events just an excuse to push more microtransactions with the best and permanent stuff being locked behind a paywall (book costs $10 1/4 of what the TTK costs)
-2 community managers who most of the time are doing nothing while people are trying to get bugs, and balance issues recognised by them.
-"challenge" mode not living up to the hype of challenge or even bringing in extra content like expected (Bungie said that the raid was created and then cut back for normal which implies that normal was missing content, people began expecting parts of the raid never seen before in future updates of hard, then challenge, especially when people found extra areas outside of the map)
-Raid drops "smart" loot system not working for months on end finally gets a message in feedback saying "we'll fix it one day, we just need to collect some data or something-excuse-excuse"
-multiple exotics are useless, and Bungie has shown no indication of fixing this
-but you get 1 racing mode and 2 maps that get boring after 4 races
I mean almost every other company can do more with less then what Bungie has. 343 is making free DLC for H5 every month, and they don't add any microtransactions in fact everything you can get with microtransactions you can earn through normal play. Bethesda is getting flak for being lazy with their bug fixes, but they are still doing way more then Bungie while they have a much larger and diverse game, and they are charging $30 for a season pass. Super smash brothers brawl receives more balance and bug fixes then Destiny does while Nintendo has the Wii U floundering at the bottom of console sales.
Destiny may not be dead, it may never die thanks to its truly dedicated fans, but if this continues it will become dead to me and many others. Only Destiny 2 has a chance to restore my hope as it seems that Bungie is pooling all its resources into it (the only possible theory as to why Destiny 1 is having such a poor time)
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First of all, I'd like to state I agree with you. But if you strongly feel this way why would go out and buy destiny 2? That completely makes everything you stated irrelevant. That's like going to a restaurant, and when you leave you say to yourself "-blam!- that food was terrible and the service was god awful, I'm coming back next week."
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Why would you even buy Destiny 2 when you are so disappointed in this first part. If you seriously think they're going to change their business practices, dream on! I love Destiny and played it since beta. Stopped playing around Fallout 4 release and only came back to do some SRL for fun. Enjoying it so far. Could not care less for the current "normal" content. Fallout 4 and Xenoblade Chronicles X have a lot more content and story...
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Ok see ya
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Truth
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Nice post. But I'm never buying Destiny 2 lol. I kind of feel cheated for putting up with Bungie for so long through Destiny 1.
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[quote]Only Destiny 2 has a chance to restore my hope as it seems that Bungie is pooling all its resources into it (the only possible theory as to why Destiny 1 is having such a poor time)[/quote] What I have been saying for so long, and this turns out to be false, I'm done with Destiny.
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Missing 30 fps
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My god man. Your logic is solid and I like you. Good day sir
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-"free" events just an excuse to push more microtransactions with the best and permanent stuff being locked behind a paywall (book costs $10 1/4 of what the TTK costs) Should really compare it to TDB and HOW TTK was and is overpriced, so for half the price of some story missions and a raid we get racing da fuq?!? Anyways not going to change unless people stop throwing money at the screen.
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What I find funny is that all the people that complained about all of the expansions are perfectly ok with paying $10 for a book that will only be useful for so long and berate anyone that isn't buying it.
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I didn't mind TDB HoW was kinda crappy but in hindsight like it better than TTK. Although I would not berate anyone for buying it only thing I would say is Bungie is slowing ratcheting up the price while reducing the value. Have to admit they are well versed in the concept of an overton window and using it to manipulate everyone's buying habits. Had they done this after TDB no one would have accepted it. I predict before we know it seasonal events will cost 40 dollars and DLC's will be 60 to 80 if they even make DLC's anymore.
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Bungie is quickly becoming the next EA
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"BUNGIE NEVER ADMITS FAULT" This right here. If they'd just own up: "...well gee guys I know we ignored the past 15 years of business practice and tools development and game design in the various genres our game comprises..... but feckin' hell gents you can't beat the cash!!!
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also this: "....I mean almost every other company can do more with less then what Bungie has. 343 is making free DLC for H5 every month, and they don't add any microtransactions in fact everything you can get with microtransactions you can earn through normal play. Bethesda is getting flak for being lazy with their bug fixes, but they are still doing way more then Bungie while they have a much larger and diverse game, and they are charging $30 for a season pass. Super smash brothers brawl receives more balance and bug fixes then Destiny does while Nintendo has the Wii U floundering at the bottom of console sales" Very well put, good examples. I have single player games that cost less, have more content and receive more actual support. These fools have nickeled and dimed me out of the -blam!-ing game.
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wait.. wait... did I misunderstand this or did you use Nintendo as an example for proper ethics? Bro, you gotta go read some of the books out there on their business practices in the early 90s! http://www.amazon.com/Console-Wars-Nintendo-Defined-Generation/dp/0062276700/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1449839525&sr=8-1&keywords=book+nintendo+console
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Nintendo has been releasing the same games for a decade. Lol at them being ethical
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[quote]People saying "b-b-but the money is needed to fund Bungie" They got 25 million to pay for a $60 game totalling too $900 million when the games entire budget was $500 million over 10 years. Sony continuously pays Bungie for exclusive missions, weapons, armour, and advertising. Bungie has announced that the microtransactions were a great success. Let's see what that gets us -No dedicated servers -updates can take anywhere from 3 months to 8 months -lots of bugs, glitches, and issues in each iteration of the game are never fixed. Merely being ignored until the next DLC or expansion replaces the old content and then the cycle continues -Playerbase is continuously ignored -Balance seems like a dream (0.7% change in auto rifle damage, 0.04% for High ROF auto rifles which is likely the worst type of weapon in game) -Bungie never admits fault -grind -dismal content in expansion made worse by removal of old content -Timegated exotics as opposed to the epic quests we hoped for (community was looking for Sleeper and as their theories got more and more complex Bungie released the Sleeper without saying a word, they could have ended the chase anytime they wanted, but they didn't) -events with some pretty lame quests and few added activities, (SRL adds 1 mode, 2 maps for a month (which mostly reuses past assets), and is not very well thought out) -"free" events just an excuse to push more microtransactions with the best and permanent stuff being locked behind a paywall (book costs $10 1/4 of what the TTK costs) -2 community managers who most of the time are doing nothing while people are trying to get bugs, and balance issues recognised by them. -"challenge" mode not living up to the hype of challenge or even bringing in extra content like expected (Bungie said that the raid was created and then cut back for normal which implies that normal was missing content, people began expecting parts of the raid never seen before in future updates of hard, then challenge, especially when people found extra areas outside of the map) -Raid drops "smart" loot system not working for months on end finally gets a message in feedback saying "we'll fix it one day, we just need to collect some data or something-excuse-excuse" -multiple exotics are useless, and Bungie has shown no indication of fixing this -but you get 1 racing mode and 2 maps that get boring after 4 races I mean almost every other company can do more with less then what Bungie has. 343 is making free DLC for H5 every month, and they don't add any microtransactions in fact everything you can get with microtransactions you can earn through normal play. Bethesda is getting flak for being lazy with their bug fixes, but they are still doing way more then Bungie while they have a much larger and diverse game, and they are charging $30 for a season pass. Super smash brothers brawl receives more balance and bug fixes then Destiny does while Nintendo has the Wii U floundering at the bottom of console sales. Destiny may not be dead, it may never die thanks to its truly dedicated fans, but if this continues it will become dead to me and many others. Only Destiny 2 has a chance to restore my hope as it seems that Bungie is pooling all its resources into it (the only possible theory as to why Destiny 1 is having such a poor time)[/quote]
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Is there a Tl;DR?
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tl;dr "Bungie are inept, moneyguzzling pieces of shit that left the best part of themselves sitting at desks in the 343 offices."
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I really hate to come off as an ass and respect the amount of effort you went into writing this. But a lot of these points are not correct. You're giving a lot of companies and developers a bit too much credit in comparison. I won't go through them all, but eg. Yeah nintendo are fantastic in their consistent vision at providing quality, you're right, sales suck...but you realise Nintendo have enough capital to keep them in the green for at least 80 years despite poor sales? I'd dare say their probably worth more than Sony's whole division put together now. So nintendo's sales are irrelevant. Bungie has admit fault on several occasions, more than what people choose to notice. True, they won't admit to every screw up, but don't confuse mistakes with false entitlement. Yes, needs dedicated servers, there's no disadvantage to it apart from cost, which shouldn't be an issue. Wait and see i guess. I can see where you're coming from, but a lot of the points are just personal opinions eg. $10 for a book or sparrow whatever, the value of an in-game microtransaction item is only relative to an individual's dedication to the game. People who hate Destiny wouldn't pay a cent for a new raid, people who love it could spend $100 on a shader based on expendable income/outlook towards the game.
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People who hate Destiny wouldn't pay a cent for a new raid, depends on why they hate Destiny. I hate all the new content I would pay for raid just as good as VoG the problem is I have serious doubts they are even capable at creating something of that caliber.
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Although true Nintendo has a massive bank account from past eras, and H5 is funded by MS, Bungie has still acquired almost a billion from base game sales alone in a single year while the entire budget for everything in the next 10 years was $.5 billion. They should easily have the resources to expand the development team or hold off of Destiny 2 to fix Destiny 1. They have the time, they have the money, they have the playerbase, they have the reputation, and they are backed by Activision. It's just that tracking your records should in the feature for everyone any racing game does it, and it's a pretty simple feature, it shouldn't cost 1/4 the cost of the TTK even if some parts of the fanbase are willing to pay for it especially since it tracks records, gives 1 sparrow, and one set of armour. At the cost of $10 you would expect an entire raid considering TTK's cost. With the amount they get from this they just have to have enough money to surely give us something better, some fixes first, and maybe some updated strikes surely?
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About the money Bungie made from its halo franchise, it was huge...but you don't how it was spent. For all we know they could have had large failed projects, undisclosed lawsuits or bad investments, not everything is transparent until you're publicly trading under Activision. But for Bungie requiring a 500mil bankroll from Activision and prior sale of a franchise, you could make a fair assumption that they weren't working with the large capital they made off Halo. As much as I'm happy with my racebook purchase, yes I agree that something of trivial tracking yet great importance to SRL should have been made available to everyone for free, the sparrows served enough of the added microtransactions.
