No Knight Strat sounds like more work then just killing Oryx regularly

Speaking of defeating Oryx, I have a question maybe someone would care to answer. I've done almost everything on destiny now like all here have. Except one. I've not beaten Oryx on hard yet. Have gotten to the sisters. When I ck forums for help, I e noticed the one thing In common in all the post for hard raid. "Must have experience" well I'm wondering how do I get it when no one will take the time to teach me and others like me because if that requirement? Did they not get taught themselves by someone else with enough patience to do so? Now that they have the experience they don't want to raid with anyone that doesn't. I'm just curious as to why that is.

I am really confused by people who call this a cheese. Even worse people claim that the No Knight Strat is not the way it was intended to be played. First let me start by saying that nobody knows the way it was intended to be played. Unless u were in the discussion room when they developed this you have no idea. What we do know is that the Knights are intended to spawn when the ogres die. Regardless of the strat you use. This part happens. No Knight is a different way of dealing with the night, it eliminates some risks and adds other risks. Pushing Atheon off the edge was a cheese, but there are more than one way of legitimately killing him Same with crota, disconnecting was cheese but there are multiple ways of betting him legit. Including a. No knight strat where you get on the glass and never touch a night. Anyhow, you have no idea the way it was intended to be beat.

You're like that nosy neighbor who doesn't like the way I mow my yard. What I do doesn't affect you. Have a wonderful day.

Mr. LiamCDM, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

See I was hoping you were going to come in with a demonstrably better strategy. Your analogy is very bad. A more apt comparison would be the hard mode crota strategy where you deliberately leave the boomers alive to avoid spawning a witch. A strategy which is legitimate. And whose principle feature is dealing with adds by finding a way to avoid them. The mechanics of the Oryx fight are that you have someone grab the relic and steal the aura, kill ogres to leave bombs which you detonate to deal damage, then hide in the aura to not die yourself. The no knight strategy does not circumvent any of these. The rest is just adds and the adds force a choice on you. Do you want to deal with ogres, or deal with the adds that spawn after you kill the ogres. Same idea as crota. Deal with the boomers, or kill them and deal with the witch. And choice is a good thing. It's what keeps PvE from being a single script activity. Another poster mentioned golgoroth. Same thing. You can trade the gaze back and forth, getting more damage in, but you'll have to really deal with the cursed thrall. Or you can do the one orb strategy, where you don't have to try to dps and kill adds at the same time. Sorry but I just don't see how this is a cheese. You aren't taking advantage of an environmental glitch. You aren't abusing any code. You're killing the ogres at a different time and then dealing with them being alive. And you know what? Some people prefer not to do that. Not because they consider the no knight strategy cheating but because they'd rather deal with the extra adds than the ogres. You want to complain about the issues with the strategy, including the fact that a lot of people can't pull it off without getting lucky, then that's fine. Different people will disagree on which they find easier. But declaring the strategy illegitimate is just silly.

I never got to oryx on hard mode so have no clue their was a cheese part when clearly you have no place to run or hide. If there is a way to defeat oryx quicker in hard mode then I am all down for it. People say the knight is hard and time consuming to kill when so many ads plus no revive in hard mode then I wish good luck to those who do beat oryx in hard mode. I can't wait to actually feel ready to do hard mode...

I think you've mistaken the word 'Cheese' for 'Strategy'. Similarly to doing Golgoroth with only one Orb, beating the Templar by cleansing your team instead of killing the Oracles, or doing a boos fight like the Saber fight while crouching in the corner to avoid Phase 3: these are all different ways to fight the bosses. They're strategies, in comparison to a cheese. A strategy is a different approach to a fight. A cheese is purposefully belittling and ignoring multiple mechanics in a fight, like pushing Atheon and the Templar off the edge, jumping Lanterns in Crota's end, the Bridge skip in Crota's end, or trapping enemy spawns in PoE. The no Knight strategy does not skip mechanics. It puts the timing of those mechanics so closely together that their affect cannot occur, if done CORRECTLY. When doing the No Knight strategy, if you kill an ogre too early, or don't reach your bubble fast enough, the night will get the bubble, causing it to be a failed run. It's simply a different approach, with its own challenges, possibilities, and failures.

So you want to complain about some groups cheesing in the raid. Of course bungie will do something since they are famous for stopping a cheesing glitch in a game mode that does not affect any player in the game. Yet we allow the cheating to go rampant in Trials and Iron Banner which does greatly affect other players. For this I will ask you. Would you like some WHINE with that CHEESE?