originally posted in:The Ashen Conflux
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Why would I link that? It seems fairly insignificant and could be any number of things. The the Vex infest Venus as a parasite so why wouldn't it be them? For starters scouting isn't a vex behavior we know, signified in Pocket Infinity Grimiore
"[i]the Vex descended on them with their typical inscrutable, thorough violence.[/i]"
Still everyone heard the theory that the Kings Barons were going to exterminate that lonely Wolf Baron in the mission "The Ruling House", but they really were just standing around a table talking about how to take the Traveler back. Of course we know that the other houses hate the wolves for not coming to their aid at Twilight Gap, and they could have killed the baron at any time. Then in "Queen's Ransom" we fight Skolas after he poofs into the arena in a cloud of vex dust, he is captured, and then we kill him in the Prison of Elders.
"But Taco your post is titled Skolas is alive! and you said we killed him" you might say and I would reply that's pretty damning evidence.
I could say something about paradoxs keeping him alive, but I have a simpler explanation: [u]There are two of Skolas[/u]. Long after he has fled Venus to go to earth there is that vex signature, and he was using vex technology to take Fallen pirates into the present, oh and most likely Orbiks Prime who might I add Variks was sure was dead. [spoiler]Kaliks Reborn shows that rebuilding a servitor is pretty hard to perfect, and most have to be built by servitors (see simiks-3)[/spoiler] If you remember the Queen's Ransom Grimoire you would recall:
[i]"He says..." Variks hisses under his breath. "He makes no sense, my Queen. He speaks of...Light-Snuffer. Dark-binder."[/i]
which was theorized to be Oryx a while back, but this is future knowledge and he had just gotten out of prison and was on the run. It is also important to note that he is much less coherent than he was in previous Grimiore cards.
What I am theorizing is that after that first mission that vex signature is future Skolas, and we captured an old version of Skolas so the queen would not look for him. It will be impossible to confirm or completely deny until more knowledge is released, but this is a theory I enjoy.
[b]TL;DR[/b]: There could have been Two of Skolas. yes I understand we killed him in PoE
Edit: The night brings with it salt, but calm and collected heads shall carry the conversation.
Edit 2: some have pointed out that it could have been a different dimensions skolas which is possible, but it couldn't have been his past self. If it was this universe's skolas it was his future self.
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So I thought about this a little while ago, and I was surprised someone else had too, but I wanna help maybe by saying that Skolas perhaps needed to come from the future because of two reasons(these aren't too strong tho): one- a fallen going into the vault of glass, opening it and accessing Oracles and also accessing time(the very last part) after coming out of stasis for years? I don't think you can come out of a refrigerator and know how to do that. Also apparently he was given to The Nine after the Reef wars so, there's almost no way he got passed them, unless somewhere down the future he was freed and came back, perhaps his timeline was where Oryx won?
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You should have told me to put on a spin metal hat... [spoiler]what have you done[/spoiler]
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Wait that might make sense. by paradox logic a paradox has to correct itself otherwise time would break, if Skolas did indeed pull himself through time and have two of himself at a given moment, he'd be correcting the paradox by throwing one in the prison and having the other carry on.
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Shame the queen is not there to stop him
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Skolas got Taken and is currently runni- Wait, do you hear that? [b][i]THIS JUST IN, AN EXCITING REPORT FOR ALL DESTINY PLAYERS![/i][/b] [b][i]Prison of Taken Elders, Destiny 2's 4th Expansion pack[/i][/b] [spoiler]preorder now and get an emblem[/spoiler]
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يو نيد طه قيل يرسلف.
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bungie loves it when you turn their plot holes into conspiracy theories.
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Uhh...
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[b]Didn't read, didn't watch, didn't care.[/b]
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The idea of another Skolas is... Disturbing to say the least. Bump
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Thanks everyone for being positive and courteous for the most part.
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BUMP FOR LATER PLZZZZZ
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Past skolas wouldn't know the future skolas plan unless he told him. Future skolas sacrifices himself so that the Past skolas will not die and throw the whole thing off but tells him the knowledge he would have gleaned in the future in the time between future and past skolas. The future one can die because he already has his past written and it didn't succeed but it landed him at this point in time. Past Future knowledge Skolas lives and used the Kaliks reborn to make everyone think the house is dead when it died. Past Future knowledge Skolas lives.
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Self rez
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Edited by awsomeness3210: 11/8/2015 3:57:05 PMWouldn't it be freaking awesome if in a future dlc that you will try to kill skolas while going back in time when you kill different Kells from unknown houses after you killed the Kell of Kells you will end up in Russia reviving a ghost that is your ghost but from the past and also make friends with the exo stranger you know when she was talking to someone (you) and you return in a epic fight with the stranger fighting cabal now on different platforms in space after a few years after your past self has killed orxy and your past self killed by the nine after you have avenged your past self the destiny universe but because of all those paradoxes you will still be alive and the story will continue in destiny 2 hope I got it right I edited I think 3 times
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If there are multiple timelines, what if the skolas we killed is from a different timeline? and we had 2 skoli, until one is eventually killed. Leaving another skolas in the wild. Also in order for this to work, there must be another timeline in which skolas dissapears. Could the nine be interdimensional beings? and help certain timelines to their benefit?
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Two Skolases means double the mines to dismantle.
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Edited by Ruin Tree: 11/8/2015 5:54:43 AMI think it's more like old Skolas stays hidden, doesn't get caught, gets Vex tech, becomes future Skolas, goes back in time to try and -blam!- shit up more, and gets caught. We kill future Skolas, because otherwise continuity wouldn't be preserved and there would be a paradox
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Monkey Wrench: If his past self died, would his future self not die as well? Discuss! I await utter useless speculation, saltiness, and stupidly on behalf of this community when talking about anything. Please do not disappoint!
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It's definitely a possibility... In the Vex and there powers of time travel, anything is possible
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If you guys haven't read that one grimoire card of skolas's speech then you are [i]TRULY[/i] missing out
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I'll kill him as many times as necessary. P*ssy as* b*tch weak as* "kell"
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OP is lettuce
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Question if we killed his past self wouldnt his future self cease to exist??????
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What about the Grimior that says the Queen gifts Skolas to the Nine so they won't get mad at her? It explains in later Grimior that the Nine release him to serve his own will after the Wolves have already been defeated.