originally posted in:The Ashen Conflux
Once, there was a Traveler. It yearned for a utopia universe, where everything and everyone could live in eternal harmony. It set out upon its path, granting Golden Ages to those it met. It came upon a gas giant known by its natives as the Fundament. Here lay the Worms. The Traveler knew one day that these dark dragons would infect a race of the planet and follow the path of its mortal enemy the Darkness. So it arranged a syzygy.
However, it's plan failed. The syzygy only drove a race of krill-like people towards the Worms. Despite the efforts of the Leviathan and the Ammonites, the Worms escaped the Fundament, and the Traveler fled. It continued with its purpose, giving races Golden Ages, but now simultaneously turning them into proxy armies.
When the Traveler caught wind of the approaching Hive, it would turn tail and run, leaving the poor inhabitants of the planet to fight and die. The Tai, the Harmonians, the Ecumene, the Dakaua, the Qugu. It did this to every race [i]except[/i] for us. Sick and tired of running, of being a coward, of watching its children perish, it decided to stand and fight. Just our luck, it stopped here.
Our Golden Age burned bright. It terraformed our planets using those from an alternate universe, bringing across the Vex. We created the Warminds and Exos, perfect war machines.
When the Hive and the Darkness came, we all fought. Unfortunately for the Traveler the combined forces of us and it weren't enough to fight the Darkness and win. Rasputin, having already shut down solar defenses, nuked the Traveler. Thus crippled, it released both the Ghosts and a massive blast of Light, driving back the Darkness and creating the Awoken. The Traveler then fell into a comatose state, it's Light being drained by Hive Siphon Witches and the Heart of the Black Garden.
But, why did Rasputin nuke the Traveler? Sure, this action ended the Collapse, but why do it in the first place? There are three possible answers:
1. A master plan. Rasputin knew we couldn't defeat the Darkness. But humanity needed to survive. So he bombed the Traveler, this action being an early step in Midnight Exigent, his master plan to defeat the Darkness.
2. Taking precautions. Rasputin, analyzing the Traveler, may have decided it could run. Not necessarily [i]would[/i], but could. So he prepared for that eventuality and bombed the Traveler.
3. He simulated wrong. Much like the Worms and Darkness, the Light is a pain in the ass to simulate. So Rasputin, in trying to determine the Traveler's next move, incorrectly guessed that it was going to run. So he nuked it.
Now it's up to you to decide: is the Traveler truly evil? Would you wipe out a planet to save a universe? Would you turn a race into a proxy army with the smallest hope that it could defeat your mortal (immortal?) enemies? Would you use the last of your power to make sure the remnants of your latest children have one last sanctuary?
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Rasputin never nuked the Traveler. In one of his cards it says (don't quote me on this) that he called it off
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I disagree with the part where the traveler uses the vex, the vex were brought to our universe by crota who tore a hole in space unleashing the vex
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Edited by bobswerski: 6/12/2016 1:36:20 PMCan't agree with your conclusion. I mean, at least you aren't claiming the Traveler was actually leaving but there's no firm foundation for Rasputin ever actually having fired on her. And I still don't think she is a sinister figure. People have it backwards, IMO. It's Rasputin we need to worry about. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/206031024/0/0
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The traveler is terrible at its job
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what I hope is that Rasputin (through his vast knowledge) deduced the traveler was in fact evil, or I suppose in other words not in our best interest to let be. I love a good twist :D
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Are the worms native to the fundament? I could never really tell. Meaning, did the traveler have previous encounters with the worms or was this their first time? It is clear the proto-hive krill are not native and are floating on remnants of their home planet that are now adrift in the fundament. Almost like the worms were luring species to it in the attempts to find a host.
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Rasputin saw multiple future timeliness through the Ishtar collective and knew the traveler was going to leave and the darkness was coming so detonated a nuke in the (reef) to slow the darkness and cripple the traveler. The side effects created the awoken who were people fleeing the solar system during the collapse.
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Don't forget, the Darkness, or its associated Worms, is trying to prevent universal heat entropy. The Traveler is "speeding" it up by creating Golden Ages, and period where a massive amount of matter is used up. So the fight for the universe is defined as such: Either a complete cessile prolonging of the universe's lifespan, or short dynamic peaks of activity, where the solution to entropy could be found. (The latter being unlikely and a hypothesis as to the Traveler's motives).
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I believe that Rasputin activated LOKI CROWN protocol and disabled the Traveler for the purpose of forcing it to create a safe haven for humanity, as that would be the only way it could survive once disabled (See ghost fragment Rasputin 5). It has been fleeing the darkness for centuries and it would have left if not for Rasputin. The Traveler is not evil, I believe it is the living representation of the light but I cannot say for sure what the living representation of the darkness is, all I know is that it is the Travelers counterpart. Both the traveler and the darkness want to bring peace to the universe, the traveler believes the only way to achieve that goal is through nurturing the inhabitants of the universe and helping them, while the darkness believes the only way to attain peace is to destroy everything, including the traveler.
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Here's the full story http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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I take issue with your description of the worms as dragons (Ahamkara), which is a controversial claim at best. I know we disagree, but seems like you're trying to sum up what we know for sure, and then as questions, and I would argue that worms being Ahamakara is not something we can say we know ([url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/169921880/0/0]and I would argue that they're not[/url]) I'm very interested in the Awoken thing. Can you provide me some sources and reasoning behind your conclusion? I've been wondering about them.
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Can I get a bump bump?
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Rasputin knew that it would leave and let us die, so he made it so it couldn't leave
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I can agree with most of this stuff as I have been thinking about this for a while. Good job putting on a post though
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The traveler is not evil. It may be rather upset when it awakes, but I don't think it will become our enemy. As for Rasputin bombing the traveler, I think the traveler was going to flee, and Rasputin knew this, so he stopped the traveler from running, forcing it to help us in a desperate move.
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Wait, how do we know Rasputin nuked the Traveler? Is it in the grimoire? Where did that information come from?
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I always assumed it ran to try to spare the utopia it created. Since it figured the darkness was going after it. As for the traveler causing the syzygy I would have never suspected that. I assumed it was an inevitable disaster that would occur either way.
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Solid stuff but the first sighting of hive was a little before the great disaster so they couldn't have been part of the collapse. After Crota found the traveler he stopped at the moon and started waiting for oryx, he sent a few scouts to earth though and that is what killed that one fire team. Also I think the traveler had been active wayy before it came across fundament and i don't think it turns us into proxy armies per-se because the ammonites where already armed with powers before the syzygy plan failed. I believe it just follows Kipling (law of the jungle poet) views. Sometimes violence is necessary for the greater good. So in short, the traveler isn't evil, and the hive isn't the main agent of the darkness per se
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Good theories:)
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Let's start the bumps!