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11/4/2015 12:54:56 PM
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Now that our time travel argument is done... I had listed many characteristics about cosmic energy. Which all triumphs over all forms of Goku.
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Oh goodness no they don't. Half of what you listed can be filed under 'matter manipulation'. Do tell me how one of the capabilities you listed can be used to effectually defeat Goku.
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Arrangement of matter... One hit and Goku is turned into a chimp. Time travel... Can destroy the pod Goku was sleeping in on his way to Earth.(Cooler would be satisfied) Transmutation of elements... Oh look out Goku a regular bolder is heading your way. But wait it's made out of titanium!?
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The Silver Surfer can't manipulate matter just like that, especially not organic matter. Sorry but you can't just bend the abilities of your hero because you so loosely defined the source of his power. He especially can't time travel, let alone decades into the past. He also wouldn't have the foresight to do so before encountering Goku. Elemental transfusion is the same thing as matter manipulation, but it's not like tossing a boulder (of [b]any[/b] material) would present Goku with a problem LOL.
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Mmm, good call on that Boulder throwing thing lmao. He could just flick it away... Instantaneous is simply fast speeds though, has been explained in the anime before briefly. Also, the Surfer CAN be separated from his board, which in turn would render him powerless. Understand however, that Goku would lose simply because he would never allow that to happen. He likes to fight strong opponents lol. Never takes advantage like that.
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So you believe... You say that I am loosely defining cosmic energy even though you counter my example with a implementation of knowing cosmic energy. Basically, you first said that the silver Surfer couldn't do any of the things I listed, yet you infer a instance which the silver Surfer has those said powers and state they wouldn't phase Goku.
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You are really obsessed with trying to twist my argument into something it's not. There's nothing fallacious with stating that one of your premises was false but also proceeding to debunk an argument in which it is true. You are being obnoxiously circuitous.
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So after I have actually stated what prowess the Silver Surfer contains, you wish to backtrack and now state that my original standpoint was a simple concept. Yes, I am "twisting" your arm. Often times so many people get caught up in the heat of the debate that they simply don't see the mistakes that lead to their downfall. Please can we stay on topic.
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Oh sweet science the irony. You are so lost here it's not funny anymore. Please regale me; Where have I backtracked in any way? What claim have I even implied a retraction of? You're not twisting any arms pal. You're twisting your own delusion. Since I know you'll fail to keep up yet again let me make it very simple. Your claim that the Silver Surfer can punch Goku and turn him into an animal is simply false because he lacks the physical ability. Your claim that he could go back in time and prevent Goku's growth and development is false not only because he lacks the ability but because he wouldn't know to do that. I'm not unaware of the powers of the Silver Surfer.
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"I never said he could time travel I only implied that he had a portion of the power to use it..." That quote may not be exact but you can see the message being implied. If you knew of Silver Surfer's powers then you would understand that he has only a fraction of the comic power... Could he actually arrange Goku's matter to a chimp? Debatable... Could he actually time travel? Yes, but not past eons or any large time interval such as that. You also said that I was twisting your arm, but now I'm not twisting your arm and twisting my own arm into delusion. Do you actually understand what you are saying or are you allowing your emotions to shroud your visual sense?
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I'm pretty sure I said you twisted my arguments. If I messed up and typed 'arm' I'm sorry for the confusion. The Silver Surfer does only contain a fraction of cosmic power. That's precisely why I'm arguing that he's limited in the ways I mentioned. I never once said Goku could time travel. I started by saying that time travel is an element that exists in the DBZ universe, and then I went on to say instant transmission, one of Goku's abilities, is a manifestation of this. That's not backtracking. Backtracking would be this: > Goku can time travel. > Goku cannot time travel. > Goku can only use instant transmission.
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Simple variables... You said that Goku was capable of instant transmission. When I said that instant transmission was like a burst of speed you said that it wasn't... As it was a form of time travel. Do you now see where you backtracked?
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I didn't backtrack, OR say it was a form of time travel. It's a manifestation of that concept. There's a critical difference. If I used the term 'form' I was incorrect. You describe it as a burst of speed but that's not how it works. Goku described it as that in an attempt to explain its use to everyone else, but the Kais and Whis & Beerus refer to it as temporal ability.
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Nowhere do the Kais or Whis say it has temporal prowess... Instant transmission is a form of teleportation in which the user travels to a pocketed dimension instead of using time to aid them... The only time he actually time travelled was when the supreme Kai of Time used her power to assist Goku to stop Demigra... But that's Xenoverse. So it's not really canon.
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Simple variables... You said that Goku was capable of instant transmission. When I said that instant transmission was like a burst of speed you said that it wasn't... As it was a form of time travel. Do you now see where you backtracked?
