believe me mate, i know what you mean, i spent many a night in WoW back in the day, when the raid would take several hours only to have 5 items drop, and all for different class than me, and when it eventually was an item i needed, only to see it go to someone else. Destiny at least has personalized loot, which is awesome on its own. The thing here is, that if its a raid and you can do that only once a week, then you better get at least some items out of it. If 'no items' is an option, you might not even get to 315 in a year, since you can do the raid only 52 times in that time, init... That is definitely not how it should work. Progressing into it is fine. I'm cool with gearing up taking some time, but at the same time, it shouldn't take forever. Thats why I'm with you even through the strong wording. (I would always wait for the initial rage to subside, and then post, thats what I do these days anyway, haha, stirs less trouble in the long run :) )