Back to vanilla days? Do you have to go and run a chest loop every time you need to upgrade gear and guns? Is upgrading the best gear restricted to how many shards you can get from the raid each week? The grind used to be so bad, people would delete entire characters and relevel them just for an extra chance to run the raid. They felt the need to have 3 of the same character so they could get gear faster.. Now a days 70% of the bounties dont require waking the hive to finish in a reasonable amount of time. And in vanilla you had to grind out each unique character to get the armor materials to upgrade their gear. There was no universal armor gear. So yeah it's not even close, and now the grind is more specialized, there is more focus to it. I grind omnigul or other strikes for specific loot that I want. The hardest grind is for the exotic swords which are pretty much the best weapons in the game so it's worth it too. Yeah, it's not even close to the same.