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10/22/2015 1:28:19 PM
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It also draws a distinction between discrimination, which anyone can do, and sexism, which only the privileged sex (ie men) can do. Further, discrimination would imply we are treating men poorly, which we've stayed time and again is not our mission. Creating a positive space for women, a space free of the poor treatment women experience daily from men, is not the same as creating an anti-male space.
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Why do you assume men treat women poorly? Granted some do but that doesn't mean all do so why should you penalize all of them?
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Edited by TnNikita: 10/22/2015 2:00:43 PMIt would be an assumption if I, and pretty much every woman in our group, hadn't experienced it multiple times in gaming. Why do you assume my statements are based on some fantasy and not a very difficult reality? Also, please don't go #notallmen. One, it's a clear attempt to derail the conversation away from valid concerns about how women are treated daily. Two, it tries to put the blame for men's behavior onto women, which is unacceptable. Three, it's not like we don't know that. Four, not allowing men into our female-only space is only penalizing them if you take the male-privileged view that men have a right to occupy any space they want, at all times, regardless of the purpose of that space. http://jezebel.com/your-guide-to-not-all-men-the-best-meme-on-the-interne-1573535818?utm_expid=66866090-57.ogTKxhToQfiBdvYxi2nmXQ.0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/05/27/not_all_men_how_discussing_women_s_issues_gets_derailed.html
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First when did I say I thought it was fantasy? Second there are always gonna be some bitchy guys but that doesn't mean they are only bitches to women third how is this the woman's fault when did I ever say that all I said is not all guys are rude bitches some are yes but some aren't so how is that saying it's your fault and four why would you need an all girl space I'm not saying men can go wherever they please I didn't assume that my statement stands it is sexist I'm not saying you are wrong to do it I'm just saying it is sexist I never said anything about it being wrong I just stated an observation I also said it was a good idea in the same message I was just pointing out that it was sexist
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I've already addressed the use of the word sexist, so I won't bother to repeat myself on that score. Asking me why we "penalize" all men and why we even need an all-female group, along with continuing to insist it's sexist - are you seriously telling me you can't see how that is an attempt to shift the burden of proof onto us? Such negative phrasing clearly indicates to me that while you're trying to be cool under your cover of "good idea", it's the but in the statement that reveals where you're really coming from. If it's a cool idea, it's a cool idea, period. No "but" needed.
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I was only stating a fact I'm not shifting the blame anywhere some men don't treat women right some men do some women don't trust men right some women do I'm not blaming women I'm just stating it is sexist and when you adressed it being sexist just because it doesn't continue to breed more sexism or however you put it doesn't make it any less sexist
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Technically sexism is when you discriminate (or "treat someone unfairly") because of their sex. What is your definition of fair? I can't see an unfairness in refusing to call a man a "Sister"... Because a man in a sisterhood is not equal to a woman in a sisterhood. It's a mismatch of gendered nouns. So a man even if he were admitted would be treated unfairly. A self-identifying male would also not wish to be referred to as a "Dame" or a "Girl" or a "Lady". And to be more nitpicky, we exclude a gender not a sex. Therefore, the real issue lies not with our admission policy but in our name itself. We should change it to "PEOPLEHOOD"! Or not.
