Bungie... Its time to cut the crap.
By now you are already fully aware of this article that has been picking up speed circulating around the community: http://kotaku.com/the-messy-true-story-behind-the-making-of-destiny-1737556731
The article itself validates everything that people have been saying for quite sometime, since the very start of this. It is definitive fact at this point, it can no longer be dismissed as just some theory. Choosing to further ignore it is only going to allow the flames to continue spreading. [b]Your lack of communication has been the most damaging to the game.[/b] You either ignore most feedback posts or you toss a random comment in which is basically the same thing each time. That isn't communication. That's placating.
You need to [u][b]"converse"[/b][/u] with us. You need to [u][b]"involve"[/b][/u] the community more when it comes to this game. HONESTY is the best policy. YOU should have made us aware of these things yourself. Instead, you let everyone speculate on their own and do their own investigations...allow the players to fight each other and argue among themselves.
That doesn't help you at all. All that does is create a VERY volatile situation and a tense atmosphere which grows thick with bitterness and anger.
Whatever your reasons are for picking and choosing who you respond to and why the vast majority of feedback posts get ignored, you can't just ignore these things. You can't allow tempers to flare and continue burning. Its not going to just fizzle out. These issues and subjects aren't going to just fade away. People are going to remember. People are going to keep bringing these problems up, regardless of whether or not they are a Year 1 or Year 2 player.
Look. Myself and many others have already invested $100 into this game. You NEED to acknowledge this. We already know Activision sets the pricing for this game. That's not something you can control. We get that. But what you CAN control is the game content itself and what the players can get.
You NEED to make amends for this.
I haven't bought TTK. For a number of reasons. However, of those reasons, there are two which stand out the most that are the only real roadblocks keeping me from continuing onward.
[b]1:[/b] I'm still waiting for my $100 investment to match the value. When the expansion was released, I honestly expected to see a slew of new things added to the game that Year 1 players would have instant access to without having to spend more money. Its compensation. You know, the Ghost Scanning that encouraged exploration in TTK? I thought that would show up in the Year 1 content. I thought that was something you were doing for the game on the whole that [b]EVERYONE[/b] could enjoy. I thought everyone was going to be able to hit level 40 and earn Legendary Marks and buy the new vendor gear [b]WITHOUT[/b] having to purchase TTK.
Hell, I at least expected that VIP black Shader, Emblem and Sparrow were going to be given to everyone for free, at the very least. And that is the root of the problem. You are wanting money for everything. You aren't giving back enough to the community for them having supported you and your game.
The end result? Feelings of betrayal.
[b]2:[/b] Lack of Reason. I can't justify spending hours upon hours doing the same activity over and over again with this game anymore at this point. I did that in Year 1. I farmed the Vault of Glass. I did the Nightfall as often as I could. I did Prison of Elders and battled with the nonsense that is LFG sites. Why? What was all that for?
I didn't spend all that time because I had nothing else better to do. There were plenty of things I could have done with my time. I chose to go through all that hassle (because it was a hassle for me) to get specific Legendary/Exotic Weapons and Armor. I didn't even hunt for these things, I spammed for them because everything is at the mercy of an RNG Loot System which drove me crazy. And then when all was said and done, TTK comes out and you tell me that I can't continue upgrading any of that stuff. Hundreds of hours flushed down the toilet, dude.
I didn't do all that work so that I could keep redoing the same content over and over until the end times. And I personally find it insulting when you say things like "well you can at least keep those weapons and use them from time to time in VOG" or whatever. [b]Not everyone went out and got a Fatebringer to have some glorified trophy. If you were to put out a new Arc Damage Hand Cannon with better stats or new perks that caught my interest more, I would replace it in a heartbeat. I care more about function, performance and reliability in my guns when it comes to Shooters. However, I want to be the one to make that decision on whether or not a gun is replaced, not have that choice forced on me just so I can maintain the highest possible numbers. (Damage and Defense, basically the Light Level)[/b]
If I can't bring all of my old weapons and armor forward with me and keep that Year 1 content relevant? Then what's the point of putting anymore time into the game? I don't grind for the sake of grinding. I grind because I'm working towards a goal. But when you kill the value of that goal, then it loses all meaning or sense of accomplishment. THAT is why so many feel as though Year 1 was a total waste of time, effort and money. We have literally nothing to show for all that hard work.
Whatever the reasons are, the fact remains that the players have been made to shoulder the weight of Bungie's decisions. Example:
[quote]According to one source, Jones also told the team that he wanted a less linear story—one in which the player could decide where to go at any time. That became one of Destiny’s key pillars.[/quote]
The game is still linear only with no actual story. Having a linear story is [b]PERFECTLY FINE SO LONG AS IT IS A GOOD STORY.[/b]
Its been a total and complete failure. The Iron Bar was not successful. And you can't say things like "well everyone will have to judge it for themselves" because that is called passing the buck. That is called not taking accountability. Just like when people come on here to tell others "if you don't like it don't buy it and leave" crap. It shouldn't be about that. You should be trying to work towards creating a product that resolves these conflicts and answers those questions and concerns.
Now we know that TTK Expansion is nothing but more of the same cut content from Year 1. That Dreadnought was taken out and reused for Year 2.
Destiny and this community deserves more. MUCH more.
And YOU need to start being far more open with us about things. Again, we shouldn't have to hear about shit a year later from some third party conducting their own private investigations. Its wrong. It shows what little faith and trust you have in your community that you think people wouldn't still support you or this game if you weren't just upfront and being honest about things. Instead, you end up hiding it which only leaves room to breed doubt and negativity. At this point? People feel as though they can't trust you anymore because they feel as though you've been taking advantage of them. And you really have been.
Its time to start making things right with us.
[b]EDIT: For those looking for Cozmo's reply it can be found here: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/164918275/0/0
Credit goes to BSteeleCC for making the suggestion to include the link in the post itself.[/b]
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Bump.
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This post deserves a bump a day from everyone for all time until this whole shitty situation is resolved or Bungie makes contact directly with the community about all these matters. #OccupyDestiny lol
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[quote]Fallout 4 Witcher 3 No Man's Sky The Witness Deus Ex: Mankind Divided Mirror's Edge: Catalyst Super Mario Maker Uncharted 4 Assassin's Creed Syndicate The Last Guardian Horizon: Zero Dawn Scalebound Mass Effect: Andromeda Gears of War 4 Follow the lead of many other previous Destiny players, myself included, by refusing to devote time or money to this franchise and instead give it to one of the ones mentioned above (or one not mentioned, as long as neither Bungie nor Activision had a hand in its development)[/quote]
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And bump again.
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And again Bump
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They shoulda just let the game out how it was original planned. Pretty sure it woulda got a higher reviews. Then, they coulda done the rest. Patches and dlcs. Such a dumb mistake.
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I always wonder, why do ppl think a corporation needs to tell ppl anything. One: year one gear is year one. Stop bitching about it and move on. Many games are like this and have been like this. Two: games get cut up and changed and resold all the time. Not news. Three: you don't own the game you. Are leasing it. Which also states they may change it at anytime. So next time read the agreement before buying...
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22:00 hits it right on the head
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I agree, it'd be nice...no, FANTASTIC if Bungie would just speak with us more. Games benefit greatly from this. A good example would be Terraria, whose developers can be often seen chatting with the community and even keeping them up-to-date with various things about future updates and whatnot, and even sometimes having casual conversations with the community.
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As always, well said and great post!
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A good idea might be to just stop playing Destiny, rather than beating your head against a wall hoping it will become something it never will... I love Halo, I hate MP Halo Reach onwards. Guess what? I don't play it anymore. I hate the Crucible. I don't play that either (fu[i]c[/i]k you exotic sword quest for dragging me there!). Moral of the story, while away the precious moments before death doing something you enjoy.
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You hit the nail on the head while describing their terrible format of invalidating all pf our year one content. I had just gotten the queen breakers bow, one of 3 beautiful exotics that came from house of wolves, only to have it taken from me. Year one label Bungie? I barely had the exotic for a few weeks. You need to allow any content released to have a year lifespan because if you are going to do what you did again. I will only play every anniversary of destiny. I did my time and worked for the perfect raid sets of vog and crota. Got my perfect trials gear, iron banner gear and house of wolves stuff. And now its all junk. That is just absurd and I feel like you spat in my face
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Hey Malphisto. I'm not on here much anymore, but I saw your post and I figured I'd give it a bump. You (or maybe Lost Sols, or both of you) offered the thesis that the only way to get Bungievision's attention is to hurt their sales. Combine that with the fact that they don't know how to make a consistent game, and my solution is that I've basically walked away. It's nice. The Kontaku article is interesting. We believed most of those concepts for a long time (e.g. the story-cutting, the strife, etc.) However, we did not know the degree of technical difficulties that Bungievision caused for THEMSELVES. The article reveals that the problems were extensive, to say the least. We've been subsidizing Bungievision's mistakes. Also, they are being wasteful with our money. They are not reliable, and the value is just not there. Cheers.
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Edited by SKILES85: 10/22/2015 1:15:08 AMHow many conniving people do you know of speak the truth or give any information that would hold them accountable? They don't. They act exactly like bungie. Dodge answering any difficult questions. Create distractions so you don't see the BS that's really happening. [u]And most importantly[/u], [b]act as if there is no problem.[/b] As long as people focus on what could happen or what they hope will happen in destiny with future dlcs, they won't be thinking about this shit pile we just bought and how they didn't come close to fulfilling the promises before it was released. One thing I kept hearing pre ttk was that it was gonna be the biggest destiny ever. Where was the * next to that line? Biggest reskin? Biggest chunk of ttk being year 1 items and content? Biggest nerf bomb. Biggest inflation of play time? What does destiny say in the update? "Here's a clan that accepts anyone with...." They don't say anything, that way you never truly know that this is as good as it gets with ttk. Which in my opinion is a huge let down/ rip off with very little to offer in the [b]new[/b] [u]and[/u] [b]fun[/b] department.
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Bungie's gotta set the record straight and come clean with us. I know of no other developer that has been scrutinized as much Bungie has in the last year.
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I'm over it. I was expecting one of the greatest games I've ever played...and Bungie failed. Fallout awaits.
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Edited by Crazed Zeus: 10/22/2015 3:07:17 AMI, like many others in the thread, almost wish that I had not read that article. I always get so disappointed when I think on the potential that was wasted here. I've been a Bungie fan since Halo:CE, I was stoked for Desinty and what it promised. I had stopped playing Call of Duty because of Activision annual cycle of shit, now we see that's what Destiny will become. Despite the disappointment in Destiny, it was Bungies attitude throughout the whole process that has turned this long term fan into someone that now will probably never buy a Bungie or Activision product again. When I had seen that Cozmo replied, even though it was to try and keep the conversation civil which is a whole other thing I won't get into about this community, I was hoping for some sort of conversation about it. It's even more infuriating then if they had not replied. Now I know they read it and chose not to address the larger point. And that right there is the rub. I'm sorry to say that unless this is addressed in a meaningful way I'm done. I know no one cares, but hopefully one day we, collectively as gamers, say we've had enough of this cash grab, pre-ordering bullshit that we've let our industry devolve into. Long live Marty Long live Joe
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I agree but remember that video you posted on how silence and attrition will win. I fear they won't say anything and hope it blows over so they can get back to doing more shady crap.