Bungie... Its time to cut the crap.
By now you are already fully aware of this article that has been picking up speed circulating around the community: http://kotaku.com/the-messy-true-story-behind-the-making-of-destiny-1737556731
The article itself validates everything that people have been saying for quite sometime, since the very start of this. It is definitive fact at this point, it can no longer be dismissed as just some theory. Choosing to further ignore it is only going to allow the flames to continue spreading. [b]Your lack of communication has been the most damaging to the game.[/b] You either ignore most feedback posts or you toss a random comment in which is basically the same thing each time. That isn't communication. That's placating.
You need to [u][b]"converse"[/b][/u] with us. You need to [u][b]"involve"[/b][/u] the community more when it comes to this game. HONESTY is the best policy. YOU should have made us aware of these things yourself. Instead, you let everyone speculate on their own and do their own investigations...allow the players to fight each other and argue among themselves.
That doesn't help you at all. All that does is create a VERY volatile situation and a tense atmosphere which grows thick with bitterness and anger.
Whatever your reasons are for picking and choosing who you respond to and why the vast majority of feedback posts get ignored, you can't just ignore these things. You can't allow tempers to flare and continue burning. Its not going to just fizzle out. These issues and subjects aren't going to just fade away. People are going to remember. People are going to keep bringing these problems up, regardless of whether or not they are a Year 1 or Year 2 player.
Look. Myself and many others have already invested $100 into this game. You NEED to acknowledge this. We already know Activision sets the pricing for this game. That's not something you can control. We get that. But what you CAN control is the game content itself and what the players can get.
You NEED to make amends for this.
I haven't bought TTK. For a number of reasons. However, of those reasons, there are two which stand out the most that are the only real roadblocks keeping me from continuing onward.
[b]1:[/b] I'm still waiting for my $100 investment to match the value. When the expansion was released, I honestly expected to see a slew of new things added to the game that Year 1 players would have instant access to without having to spend more money. Its compensation. You know, the Ghost Scanning that encouraged exploration in TTK? I thought that would show up in the Year 1 content. I thought that was something you were doing for the game on the whole that [b]EVERYONE[/b] could enjoy. I thought everyone was going to be able to hit level 40 and earn Legendary Marks and buy the new vendor gear [b]WITHOUT[/b] having to purchase TTK.
Hell, I at least expected that VIP black Shader, Emblem and Sparrow were going to be given to everyone for free, at the very least. And that is the root of the problem. You are wanting money for everything. You aren't giving back enough to the community for them having supported you and your game.
The end result? Feelings of betrayal.
[b]2:[/b] Lack of Reason. I can't justify spending hours upon hours doing the same activity over and over again with this game anymore at this point. I did that in Year 1. I farmed the Vault of Glass. I did the Nightfall as often as I could. I did Prison of Elders and battled with the nonsense that is LFG sites. Why? What was all that for?
I didn't spend all that time because I had nothing else better to do. There were plenty of things I could have done with my time. I chose to go through all that hassle (because it was a hassle for me) to get specific Legendary/Exotic Weapons and Armor. I didn't even hunt for these things, I spammed for them because everything is at the mercy of an RNG Loot System which drove me crazy. And then when all was said and done, TTK comes out and you tell me that I can't continue upgrading any of that stuff. Hundreds of hours flushed down the toilet, dude.
I didn't do all that work so that I could keep redoing the same content over and over until the end times. And I personally find it insulting when you say things like "well you can at least keep those weapons and use them from time to time in VOG" or whatever. [b]Not everyone went out and got a Fatebringer to have some glorified trophy. If you were to put out a new Arc Damage Hand Cannon with better stats or new perks that caught my interest more, I would replace it in a heartbeat. I care more about function, performance and reliability in my guns when it comes to Shooters. However, I want to be the one to make that decision on whether or not a gun is replaced, not have that choice forced on me just so I can maintain the highest possible numbers. (Damage and Defense, basically the Light Level)[/b]
If I can't bring all of my old weapons and armor forward with me and keep that Year 1 content relevant? Then what's the point of putting anymore time into the game? I don't grind for the sake of grinding. I grind because I'm working towards a goal. But when you kill the value of that goal, then it loses all meaning or sense of accomplishment. THAT is why so many feel as though Year 1 was a total waste of time, effort and money. We have literally nothing to show for all that hard work.
Whatever the reasons are, the fact remains that the players have been made to shoulder the weight of Bungie's decisions. Example:
[quote]According to one source, Jones also told the team that he wanted a less linear story—one in which the player could decide where to go at any time. That became one of Destiny’s key pillars.[/quote]
The game is still linear only with no actual story. Having a linear story is [b]PERFECTLY FINE SO LONG AS IT IS A GOOD STORY.[/b]
Its been a total and complete failure. The Iron Bar was not successful. And you can't say things like "well everyone will have to judge it for themselves" because that is called passing the buck. That is called not taking accountability. Just like when people come on here to tell others "if you don't like it don't buy it and leave" crap. It shouldn't be about that. You should be trying to work towards creating a product that resolves these conflicts and answers those questions and concerns.
Now we know that TTK Expansion is nothing but more of the same cut content from Year 1. That Dreadnought was taken out and reused for Year 2.
Destiny and this community deserves more. MUCH more.
And YOU need to start being far more open with us about things. Again, we shouldn't have to hear about shit a year later from some third party conducting their own private investigations. Its wrong. It shows what little faith and trust you have in your community that you think people wouldn't still support you or this game if you weren't just upfront and being honest about things. Instead, you end up hiding it which only leaves room to breed doubt and negativity. At this point? People feel as though they can't trust you anymore because they feel as though you've been taking advantage of them. And you really have been.
Its time to start making things right with us.
[b]EDIT: For those looking for Cozmo's reply it can be found here: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/164918275/0/0
Credit goes to BSteeleCC for making the suggestion to include the link in the post itself.[/b]
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Edited by lawman90: 10/22/2015 6:05:24 PMWho else would love to see the amount of players that were playing destiny in the first month of release compared to the amount of players playing now.?..... It would be a great insight I think. I couldn't imagine the impact this article may have.
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Excellent article. Bump. Couldn't find Bungies reply though. Can someone bump it?
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I can't believe that's all cozmo had to say. Would have been better to say nothing. They would regain my respect if they would come out here and admit their mistakes and explain how they are trying to fix the internal issues that they have. By that I mean the engine that they are using, scheduling, etcetera. I could at least respect them again if they would own up to everything. I also don't believe that the taken king fixed everything. I just got it a few days ago(swore I wouldn't) since my team kept begging me to come back. Honestly some things are better but still many glaring issues that I have already seen. Also, what is with all the nerf posts already. C'mon. Just play. Everything can be countered and I don't feel like losing great weapons for pve again because someone won't adapt their play style once in a while in order to counter someone. If something keeps getting you killed, maybe try a different approach. I know some people cheat but some are just really damn good and that's life.
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My questions are these... Do you still play destiny? Are you for the productive feedback and evolution of destiny?
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Bump for truth.
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Hey man, McDonald's makes some of the most disgusting food on the planet. But PEOPLE buy BILLIONS of their burgers..
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This video is oollllllddddd. Too long to read. Have you summoned butt hurt yet?
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They don't [b][i][u]HAVE[/u][/i][/b] to do anything. They are a business; they are NOT your friend. They never were your friend. They do not owe you anything other than what the contract says they owe. This is their game. If you paid for access to it, you agreed to all the bullshit. If you didn't want the bullshit, then you shouldn't have purchased Destiny.
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Nice post Mal.
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The iron bar needs their asses whooped
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It's all about that bump! bout that bump no troubles !
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Bump.
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..nah bro you wasting your awesome texts on ppl without morality or even some respect. ..they lost themselves in their lies and enormous ego. and they lost 80% of their fan base just because of it! ..they will not stop until drop reach 100%..
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There is no denying it had been a slow and rocky start. We didn't get everything we hoped for. But all that is changing. The story is expanding. The new content is the best ever, in my opinion.
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You demand answers... Have you ever signed a non-disclosure agreement?
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Oh great High moon is "assisting" on Destiny 2. I'm not gonna expect high on storytelling I think I should just move on after TTK. [spoiler]If there making Y2 gear obselete, have gear transactions. Mark my words, throwing away the game to disallow anymore playtime with the game.[/spoiler]
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You should just stop playing bro. They are making a lot of sales and that is all that matters to them. Out opinions don't really matter.
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This kind of info leaks out all the time........if it needs to be legitimized by being in print, then so be it. Theyre not gonna fix anything if it means less profit, quite the opposite. This is not going to stop. Destiny 2 will be more of the same, This company buys off reviewers, and forum moderators, etc. Fires and belittles founding members, shits on its fans for money, and the last thing they have on their mind is how to give us a better experience, you kjnow, like the one they advertised before launch. This is a toxic Dev. now. Abandon ship.
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I KNEW IT! I told my friends that destiny biggest problem was the stupid engine they had in the game and I was right! The physics, the gameplay, the matcha ice make it completely obvious that the game engine is crap.
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Bump it like it's hott
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#comeclean
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Ha! The part about Bungie listens to their players is absurd.
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Edited by Skivlgadon: 10/22/2015 4:38:37 PMOne of the best posts here.
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Bump For Truth