So, I'm admittedly not so hot at PVP. I had a pretty consistent 0.7k/d pre-2.0, but it's gotten a lot worse since. Anyway, my clan said hey lets go do the weekly PVP, so to mayhem clash we went. I was on my Titan and I figured ok, I've got my sunbreaker with healing/tracking hammers and max armor/agility, I'll be OP and wreck this. Nope. 0.3k/d. Hammer time: Shut down by shadow shot about 30 times. Shut down by various sniper rifles about 10 times. Shut down by an occasional stormcaller. Shut down by golden gun about 5 times. Shut down by a shotgun a few times. My longest kill streak was actually a sword... I was probably getting 1-3 kills per super, if I wasn't killed within a few seconds of activating it. In one match I'm pretty sure the same Hunter killed me about 15 times. I ran into that a lot in WoW, once someone knows you're an easy mark, they hunt you mercilessly. So there you have it. W/o skill, sunbreaker is just a big "shoot here" sign. Once again, I present myself as proof that weapons, supers, etc are all [i][b]skill multipliers[/b][/i] (force multiplier is the actual term). If these things are killing you, it's because the other person was good, not because they went, "Hurr-durr I throwed a hammer!" I'm gonna go play something else for a while, my ego is bruised enough for one night. XD