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9/28/2015 9:41:22 PM
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Just so you see this,maybe it'll give you something to think about instead of posting blindly out of anger.
Here's a quick comparison with the other "OP" super in the game. Bladedancer
Blade dancer and sun breaker are just different versions of each other.
Blade is quick as -blam!- with slightly less armor resistance than sun breaker and require to get close. Blink and serious aim assist.
Sunbreaker is slower and easy to hit with more armor but can hit from range,hammers lock but it's an arc pattern which at decent range is hard to deal with.
Both have health regen abilities and both can walk across the map with a lengthy super time. Both have about 5 or 6 shots depending.
Now here comes the part people arent thinking about.
Blade dancers have multiple useful perks without their super.
Blink
Invis
1 hit backstab
Bolt grenades
Sunbreaker on the other hand are totally tied into their super,their grenades aren't amazing,melee is pretty much standard unless you use the explosion perk for a little extra damage.
No 1 hit melee,no blink,no bolt grenades, fast as far as movement but still out classes by blink as far as utility.
So I don't fully understand the logic behind a sunbreaker nerf,if you nerf it, the entire class is ruined, again putting titans at the bottom of the pvp list.
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And yet Sunbreakers are doing 8% better in terms of crucible KD than Hunters, Warlocks or the Titan classes as a group. Sorry dude, it's busted. And it's perks are not as bad as you are making them out to be. Sunbreaker has plenty of utility outside of its super.
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The kd went up due to the fact they finally got a decent super and it's their first one with range,of course it'll boost the kd. As far as these other good perks. Please enlighten me as to what perks they have that aren't tied to the super, because the only one I really see is the melee allowing crit damage
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Edited by Brandolier: 9/29/2015 12:57:44 AMYour argument makes no sense. Their KD going up because of getting a new super does not disprove that it is OP when sunbreaker went up to 8% higher than all of the class averages. You said nothing. We all know it went up becAuse they got a deadlier class. That's a freaking PREREQUISITE of Sunbreaker being OP. You can also heal with Melee and grenades and get automatic reset of Melee on Melee kill as well as being able to achieve the highest combo of recovery and armor of any class.
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Edited by xDeFalt: 9/29/2015 1:00:58 AMSo you're right because the collective kd of titans went up? Its obvious sunbreaker is superior to their ONLY other aggressive super, So of course itd go up, but if that's your only argument.....without any specific reasons as to how and why they are OP I have to say your argument is totally invalid. I've given very good reasons as to how it isn't OP, strong absolutely, but not OP. I've yet to get a response from anyone showing any legitimate way that it's op,especially in comparison to blade dancer. Hunter kd is going down probably due to the fact night stalker isn't a super aggressive super, which most hunters are used to and warlocks new super is an in the fray type of super with low armor buff, which again, they aren't used to.
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A) bolt grenades got needed into the ground. B) the Sunbreaker gets Fusion grenades, which are freaking fantastic in PvP, and the new one isn't bad either. C) Blink traversal of a map is nowhere near as fast as just throwing a hammer. D) if you can't manage the minor difficulty of a parabola on thrown hammers, you should just quit now. E) you have more damage resistance and range. F) Cauterize heals you with your Melee AND your freaking grenades, I don't know how that isn't a strong ability outside of your super unless you are crazy. G) your Melee applies a DoT and can weaken foes. Dude I play Sunbreaker, you can't trick me. They are OP. They are devastating PvP and have the best KD in Crucible for a reason.
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[quote]A) bolt grenades got needed into the ground.([b][u]used to weaken groups of enemies or those around corners or in different rooms or to finish them off,not as strong as before but still easily serve their purpose,i use them pretty often and find no issue[/u][/b]) B) the Sunbreaker gets Fusion grenades, which are freaking fantastic in PvP, and the new one isn't bad either.([b][u]requires a stick,basically reliant on your aiming skill,if it doesn't stick, pretty much useless,new ones only really useful in tight corridors full of oblivious people,otherwise easily dodged[/u][/b].) C) Blink traversal of a map is nowhere near as fast as just throwing a hammer.([b][u]open map sure, most of destiny,not so much, either way blink makes blade dancer very difficult to hit unless it's in a wide open area and the blade is far away, also, you're comparing a jump with a super.....)[/u][/b] D) if you can't manage the minor difficulty of a parabola on thrown hammers, you should just quit now. E) you have more damage resistance and range.([b][u]obviously didn't fully read my post as I addressed this)[/u][/b]) F) Cauterize heals you with your Melee AND your freaking grenades, I don't know how that isn't a strong ability outside of your super unless you are crazy.([b][u]again,obvious you didn't read my post because this is also addressed)[/u][/b] G) your Melee applies a DoT and can weaken foes.([u][b]weaken foes with melee is useful where in pvp exactly? AGAIN, dot melee addressed in my post you didn't read)[/b][/u] Dude I play Sunbreaker, you can't trick me. They are OP. They are devastating PvP and have the best KD in Crucible for a reason.[/quote] Please actually read my post before making your counter argument next time. You're thinking with your biased opinion, not actual fact
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You can't change an OPINION of another person. Esp a Hunter main. No matter what counter-arguments or facts you lay at there feet. But I wholly agree with you. SunBreakers really only have their super going for them in PvP.
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Edited by xDeFalt: 9/29/2015 1:22:40 AMI'm a Hunter main,but I've apent a good chunk of time on my titan and Warlock. I feel im unbiased and look at it logically where as most others are biased and just crying nerf because the see just the super and it's powerful aspects
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Much respect to you dude, I've never met a Hunter who thinks logically haha.
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How is your opinion magically less biased than mine? Given that Sunbreaker has had the best K/D in crucible since TTK launched l, I would say you are the one who looks more biased. I have objective numbers backing me up.
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The numbers I've seen show sunbreaker at the bottom of all 3 classes,increase about kd,but overall kills and that of the like,titans are at the bottom. As far as kd related stats, I'm not aware of them so in have no input
