Ok so I know that this is old but I had a question I think that relates to this. In the upcoming update 'The Dawning' there is a revamped Will of Crota strike. The main boss is again Omnigul who apparently according to some dialogue in the strike has "resurrected herself". However in the original strike Eris says that Omniguls only purpose was to usher in Crotas return and that she failed. So my question is if we defeated her purpose how did she manage to resurrect herself?

1) I think you greatly misunderstand the sword logic. The sword logic is gaining power from your kills. [b]The more you kill, the stronger you become[/b]. It is you escaping the laws of reality through causing death. One application of the power you gain is being able to cut through space itself, and to carve out throne worlds as universes where you respawn to upon death, thus ensuring your survival. The main point though is it's all about gaining power and strength from killing. Examples: [quote]Quria deduced the sword logic. I have to kill everything, Quria resolved. Then I will be powerful. (Verse 4:9 — open your eye : go into it)[/quote] *sword logic = strength/power from killing. [quote]You are no longer bound by causal closure. Your will defeats law. Kill a hundred of your children with a long blade, Auryx, and observe the change in the blade. Observe how the universe shrinks from you in terror. (Verse 2:6 — The [b]Sword Logic[/b])[/quote] [quote]SAVATHÛN said, Auryx my brother and king, [b]I have studied the wounds cut by the Worm our God. Also I have studied the manner of your death and return. These two things are the same, for they are predicated on death and the passage through cut spaces. Let us practice the sword logic until we are sharp. We may then cut our own wounds and step through[/b]. (Verse 3:1 — an incision)[/quote] *sword logic (strength/power from killing) allows you to cut through space, and allows you to return from death. [quote]Said Akka, “You have not the [b]strength[/b].” [b]But this was a lie. Auryx had killed Savathûn his sibling and Xivu Arath his sibling, and he had the sword logic of killing them[/b]. (Verse 3:8 — King of Shapes)[/quote] *sword logic = strength/power from killing. [quote]OBLIGATIONS. Once, I permitted Oryx to kill me so that he could gain the sword logic and overcome Akka our God. (Verse 4:5 — This Love Is War)[/quote] *sword logic = strength/power from killing. 2) The Killing logic is simply proving that you were stronger than what you killed; the fact that you killed your enemy proves that you were stronger. Killing logic is essentially like having a driver's license; having one in your hand doesn't make you a better driver, but it is proof that you already know how to drive. [quote]“Then kill me,” says Xivu Arath, “and use that killing logic, the power [b]you prove[/b] by killing something as mighty as me.” [...] “And strangle me,” says Savathûn, holding a blade behind her back. “Use that killing logic, the cunning you prove by killing something as smart as me.” (Verse 3:6 — star by star by star)[/quote] *Oryx used the killing logic of killing his sisters to have a meeting with Akka. By killing his sisters, he proved he was worthy of an audience. The kills did make him more powerful, but that power gain is just sword logic. The killing logic part is just about proof of your superiority. 3) The deathsinger Ir Yut did not come back because of some "purpose," she came back because she hid her death in an oversoul, as explained by the sisters Ir Halak and Ir Anuk. [quote]“We propose a method by which Ascendant souls can be detached and integrated into a tautological and autonomous thanatosphere, which we tentatively term an oversoul. Oversouls can be stored in a throne world as[b] a mechanism of enhanced death resilience[/b]. As a side effect, new refinements to our Deathsong may be achieved, moving us closer to a generally effective paracausal death impulse.” Oryx brandished his sword. “Speak the Royal Tongue, or I’ll pin you up for Eir to eat.” “[b]If we can separate our deaths from ourselves, and hide them, we will be hard to kill[/b].” (Verse 4:8 — The partition of death)[/quote] 4) Oryx, Xivu Arath, and Savathun defined themselves by their actions and their nature. Oryx was curiosity, Xivu Arath is War, and Savathun is cunning. By performing actions relating to their natures, you can summon them back from the dead (like waging war to summon Xivu Arath back to life), but this is ONLY if they did NOT die in the throne worlds. [b]Throne worlds are how Hive Gods survive death, and they are a product of the power they amass from killing (AKA sword logic).[/b] If you die, you are reborn in your throne world. It's all just a matter of getting enough kills, and not being killed inside your own throne world. Nothing about "purpose" is needed. [quote]Your body is gone, but you have endured. [b]Safe in the cyst universe created by your own might[/b] — your throne world. From this day forward, Auryx, you and your sisters will each survive death — so long as you aren’t killed in your own throne. (Verse 2:7 — The Weakness Verse)[/quote] *Clearly explains how Hive gods survive death. They are reborn in throne worlds. Throne worlds are born of the might (sword logic) of a Hive god.

So do guardians follow sword logic. We can be killed but always come back thru our ghost...is our ghost a representation of our throne world?? Very intresting topic!!

Im working on expressing sword logic in terms of mathematical logic. It actually works, incredibly enough.

Killing logic: kill things to Git gud. Sword logic: if I stop your purpose, you don't exist. Git gud and don't let me kill you

And yet, in the end, the Sword Logic was proven false, to it's fundamentals. It did not hold true. It did not endure. The power of the Deep did not endure. The power of the Sky proved greater, and more true. The Light of the Traveler, burning within the breast of the Guardians, overcame the power of the Deep. Even within his own Throneworld, Oryx, the Taken King, who directly wielded the power of the Deep and could Take with the power of Akka, the Virtous Worm, even in that place where all reality bowed before the Sword Logic and no other rule should have been able to countenance before it, the Guardians of the Traveler were victorious. The might of the Sky threw down the servants of of the Deep, the Guardians of the Light overcame the champions of the Darkness. This is the secret of the Sky. This is the power of the Traveler. The is the essence of the Light: to turn back entropy. To overcome death. Those who follow the sword logic fear the final death, the heat death of the universe. They follow the Sword Logic because they fear it, because they believe that in conquering everything they will eventually be unconquerable, even from death, and rule eternally at the end of time because no other Sovereign can defeat them. They are wrong. The Light overcomes. It overcame Crota in his throneworld. It overcame Atheon in that place beyond time where the will of the Vex mind should have been utterly absolute. It overcame Oryx in the place where his power should have been the very essence of existence. The Sky overcomes all things, even death.

*hits blunt* Is it the s or the c in scent that's silent?

Need a TLDR logic version of this post.

Sparrow fuel can't melt plasteel beams

Needlessly complex explanation. Obi wan's purpose was to guide and protect Luke. He could better fulfil this purpose by being killed by Luke's dad (uhh, spoiler alert, sorry) right in front of him. Fulfilling his purpose makes him stronger. Therefore being killed made him more powerful than you can possibly imagine...

There are two types of people on these forums. People who are neck deep in lore and people who have no idea whats going on.

Eris is his sister she used us to kill him. She is known to hide amongst oryxs enemy. The cunning. My theory anyway

Did we actually use sword logic to kill oryx? Wasn't his purple to gain all knowledge? I don't think we actually killed him. Correct me if I'm wrong

Fascinating. I can see why there are dedicated lore groups for this game. My blade will soon triumph over his... soon, so very soon.