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9/17/2015 6:07:56 PM
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Although you are technically right, you are morally wrong. I don't know if this is a thinly veiled troll thread but is this honestly where you would like the industry to head toward? Publishers like Activision and EA should be ostracized, not praised for their schemes. I'm all for developers making money, just not at the cost of their customer loyalty.
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If it means that games will start to be on Destiny's level more often, then yes.
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There is never a good reason to expel portions of your fanbase, it's not good for the community and it will never be good for business.
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The ones that aren't paying for their updates are hardly the ones that they should cater to. If it were expensive, I might be able to understand, but if you compare Destiny to actual popular and robust subscription-based games, it comes out on lower end price-wise.
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[quote]The ones that aren't paying for their updates are hardly the ones that they should cater to.[/quote] I agree except everyone involved in destiny so far has paid up to certain points and should still be able to access their share, level difficulty cap of that particular content included. They should still be able to voice their opinions because they are on this train with us as well. [quote]If it were expensive, I might be able to understand, but if you compare Destiny to actual popular and robust subscription-based games, it comes out on lower end price-wise.[/quote] I understand that and agree, destiny is much cheaper. The issue is this is a hybrid type pay system so it is susceptible to the old ways of tier content. Tier content that people deserve to still have access to at their proper difficulty cap levels. I feel bungie should create better incentives to pull people forward, it's never a good idea to lock them out of things to make them reluctantly come forth.
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I just don't know what kind o incentive they could give to bring people forward other than saying, "Look, what you're playing now is too outdated to support any further. What you bought back in 2014 is now literally our demo game. The content from hereon forth will be updated with the new stuff, and that's where all of our focus now lies." If people aren't sold by that pitch, I don't think they'd be buying new stuff anyway.
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I think having us all sample the TTK was a step in the right direction. I am not advocating free unlimited access but that bit of time sure convinced me to come forward. Something along those lines like the trial version of destiny. Giving people small samples is better than stripping things away in my opinion.
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The ONLY way they'll listen is if everyone quits buying their games. That's not going to happen. You are all (myself included) a part of this problem. We continue enabling these companies. Tell them to piss off and keep your money in your wallet. When their bottom line comes under fire, they'll change their tune.
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Voting with our wallets, you are totally correct that it does indeed foster change in the most effective way. I also feel that if a portion of the community has a problem, them voicing that issue has an effect as well albeit not as great. It's important to "vote" for the direction of a game the community has invested itself into in as many ways as possible my friend.
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And they won't have the money to produce as good of games.
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So a smarter dev. will take over their market share. Your argument is the same as made for GM and Chrysler the market share doesn't just disappear someone always takes more of it.
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Edited by oxI Sonic Ixo: 9/17/2015 6:51:39 PMExcellent example, now we see the big three (ford, chrysler, GM) trying to finally step up their game since the great 2007 bailouts. If you don't provide the proper product and standards, someone else will (toyota, honda, nissan).
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Yeah they still suck, I and others have bought vehicles after and still same problems. So on my next vehicle I'll vote with my wallet. Last car was Ford because they said no to handouts, but after having it a few months found out many things were not attached correctly minor fixes but when the company cannot even tighten the bolts correctly then time to move on. Thanks for the response though.
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Lol Ford (found on road dead) but seriously, sorry to hear about those issues man. Thank you for your reply.
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NP, you know I figured eh I'll give them another chance. So they got their chance and blew it, fool me once. I haven't had tons of repairs but enough to make me rethink my decision, things that people driving imports have never have to fix. Also some genius (I use the term lightly) decided to have a metal butterfly in the intake while the rest is plastic so when it is cold out I have to kick the gas pedal pretty hard just to get it to move and have to keep it slightly pressed or it locks up again. That has been an issue since day one, which I could fix with aftermarket parts but shouldn't have to.
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[quote]Also some genius (I use the term lightly) decided to have a metal butterfly in the intake while the rest is plastic so when it is cold out I have to kick the gas pedal pretty hard just to get it to move and have to keep it slightly pressed or it locks up again. That has been an issue since day one, which I could fix with aftermarket parts but shouldn't have to.[/quote] So the housing/throttle body or a portion of it around the butterfly valve is plastic? What a way to cut costs, it boggles the mind why you would skimp out on essential engine operation components. What vehicle so I can research this lol?
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2007 Ford Focus ST, the problem is plastic and metal contract and expand at different rates so they either have to do all metal or all plastic. The fix is a larger all metal throttle body or use a dremel to increase the opening around the butterfly so it doesn't catch. Basically the butterfly gets stuck in the closed position so stomping on the gas forces it open.
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Edited by oxI Sonic Ixo: 9/17/2015 7:55:04 PMDamn man, sorry to hear that. I have heard awesome things about the new focus STs. Their so quick for its class and price, I wouldn't mind picking one up second hand to play with the ecoboost and its tune-ability. Could care less if it's Forward wheel drive. I wouldn't have imagined they would skimp on the performance model like that.
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I don't know about you, but I've paid $140 for access to a game that has given me dozens and dozens of hours of enjoyment for over a year now, and will most likely continue to do so over the next year, and possible the year after that. If long-term enjoyment is the product of a new, if slightly conteoversial business model, then so be it. Games are about fun, and and long as I can keep paying money to have fun (the concept itself which hasnt changed since the beginning of modernized culture) then so be it.
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Yes exactly
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[quote]I don't know about you, but I've paid $140 for access to a game that has given me dozens and dozens of hours of enjoyment for over a year now, and will most likely continue to do so over the next year, and possible the year after that.[/quote] I feel the same way, destiny has been an enjoyable experience for the most part. There has been some sketchy issues with the release of past DLCs and cut content repackaged issues but it has been fun. [quote]If long-term enjoyment is the product of a new, if slightly conteoversial business model, then so be it. Games are about fun, and and long as I can keep paying money to have fun (the concept itself which hasnt changed since the beginning of modernized culture) then so be it.[/quote] See this just doesn't sound or feel right. We shouldn't have to surrender certain standards in the name of fun and enjoyment. Game developers and publishers should continue to be held accountable in the ways they conduct business to prevent quality issues. We must never allow a product just thrown together to be sold and told to accept and like it. We must continue to voice our opinions and vote with our wallets, we must continue to influence the game itself to make sure the product remains up to par.
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Agree
