Lately, I've been seeing tons of illogical arguments that christians have been trying to use to prove the existence of God. I haven't seen one valid argument for God, and I'm getting quite tired of destroying the same feeble arguments over and over again, so I thought I'd take the most common ones and take them apart, so that you people can finally stop using them.
[quote][i]You can't prove that God isn't real. [/i][/quote]
This is a logical fallacy. The burden of proof lies on the person claiming the positive (religious people), not us. If you believe God is real, it's your job to provide evidence. Furthermore, we also can't prove that there isn't a magic green monkey flying around Jupiter, but that isn't a valid reason to believe he's there.
[quote][i]The Bible is proof of God[/i][/quote]
No. Just, no. Anyone who uses a Bible verse to support the existence of God is insane. That's like saying that a Spider-Man comic is proof of spider man.
[quote][i]Do you really think that all life could have arisen from a series of coincidences?[/i][/quote]
Anyone who says this needs to do a bit more research. Yes, there were many requirements for life to arise on earth, but you're not considering how large the universe is, and how many times shit has gone wrong. Statistically speaking, the natural evolution of life on earth is very possible, and there is almost certainly other life out there.
[quote][i]Well, science doesn't fully understand 'X' yet, therefore God must have done it.[/i][/quote]
Just because we don't understand something yet doesn't mean we won't in the future, and to instantly assume that everything is Gods work is a very closed-minded way of looking at things.
[quote][i]It's called having faith.[/i][/quote]
No. Faith is the intentional suppression of critical thinking skills. It is in no way a valid reason to believe anything.
[quote][i]The second law of thermodynamics states that systems become less and less organized. That means that evolution and the Big Bang go against this law. Therefore, God is responsible for the creation of earth and life on earth[/i][/quote]
This isn't true. The second law of thermodynamics only applies to isolated (closed) systems. The earth is in no way a closed system. This argument really just shows ignorance on whoever uses it's part.
[quote][i]Theres nothing to lose by not believing in him, and eternal paradise if you do. (Pascal's Wager).[/i][/quote]
This is a horrible argument for a number of reasons. First, who says the Christian God is real? There are hundreds of different Gods out there, so why not believe in them too, just to be safe? Secondly, do you really think an omniscient God won't figure out that the only reason you believed in him was because you wanted to go to heaven? Pascal's wagers is one of the worst arguments ever. Period.
Note: This next one was actually an argument on this very thread. Try not to die of laughter.
[quote][i]http://thetruthwins.com/archives/dna-results-for-the-nephilim-skulls-in-peru-are-in-and-the-results-are-absolutely-shocking
We have angel skulls, therefore God exists.
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This one made me laugh so hard. The link basically just says that the skulls were from an unknown human-like creature, probably some sort of primate. The guy who sent me this instantly jumped from "unknown human-like mammal" to "Angel skulls". I literally can't even right now.
These are only a few of the arguments that I can remember off the top of my head, but I know I'm missing a ton. Post them below, and I'll destroy them and add them to the OP. Help me spread education and awareness to Offtopic, one post at a time.
Purse, out.
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Edited by PoisonMocha: 9/7/2015 7:57:51 PMAbsence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just saying.
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>Was going to post argument >Realized it was noiselesspurse
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Let me fix it for you. God exists, but he isn't real. He was imagined into existence by humans
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Stop. This is why religious threads need to be against the Code of Conduct. All this does is instigate a flame war, and the people encouraging you are no better.
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Basically some bored people wanted to make a book about something that people would eventually believe and fight over and even KILL. Half our wars are because of religion. Life exists so let's just enjoy it ffs instead of assuming a bunch of imagination.
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Edited by Ninja_90: 9/7/2015 8:34:07 PM[[b][i][u]700[/u][/i][/b]
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Oh god not one of these again
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Edited by Jasondurgen: 9/7/2015 6:49:20 PMWhen you talked about Spider-Man comics, I shit myself laughing xD. You're awesome, Purse! Keep up the plunder.
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Not sure if this is NoislessPurse just because this is the most sense he's ever made. GG OP, you're making people hate you a little less, one post at a time. [spoiler]By the way, [quote]Purse, out[/quote] made me cringe. Please don't do that again.[/spoiler]
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For somebody who doesn't believe in a god you sure do take about one a lot. Kek learn to critically think, kiddo. [spoiler]Purse = anal pain[/spoiler]
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God will need to clear Occam's Razor too, which isn't so easy.
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Here we go again....
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Hail Satan. All I do is hail Satan, every day of my life. I don't give a -blam!-!
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$201.50 says you're wrong.
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There is also no valid argument against God. Two sided road bud, try again.
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Explain to me how put out every species on earth, and every evolution of those species, we are the only sentient life forms
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Edited by DEMENTED CHEEZE: 9/7/2015 4:55:18 PM[quote]Lately, I've been seeing tons of illogical arguments that christians have been trying to use to prove the existence of God. I haven't seen one valid argument for God, and I'm getting quite tired of destroying the same feeble arguments over and over again, so I thought I'd take the most common ones and take them apart, so that you people can finally stop using them. [quote][i]You can't prove that God isn't real. [/i][/quote] This is a logical fallacy. The burden of proof lies on the person claiming the positive (religious people), not us. If you believe God is real, it's your job to provide evidence. Furthermore, we also can't prove that there isn't a magic green monkey flying around Jupiter, but that isn't a valid reason to believe he's there. [quote][i]The Bible is proof of God[/i][/quote] No. Just, no. Anyone who uses a Bible verse to support the existence of God is insane. That's like saying that a Spider-Man comic is proof of spider man. [quote][i]Do you really think that all life could have arisen from a series of coincidences?[/i][/quote] Anyone who says this needs to do a bit more research. Yes, there were many requirements for life to arise on earth, but you're not considering how large the universe is, and how many times shit has gone wrong. Statistically speaking, the natural evolution of life on earth is very possible, and there is almost certainly other life out there. [quote][i]Well, science doesn't fully understand 'X' yet, therefore God must have done it.[/i][/quote] Just because we don't understand something yet doesn't mean we won't in the future, and to instantly assume that everything is Gods work is a very closed-minded way of looking at things. [quote][i]It's called having faith.[/i][/quote] No. Faith is the intentional suppression of critical thinking skills. It is in no way a valid reason to believe anything. [quote][i]The second law of thermodynamics states that systems become less and less organized. That means that evolution and the Big Bang go against this law. Therefore, God is responsible for the creation of earth and life on earth[/i][/quote] This isn't true. The second law of thermodynamics only applies to isolated (closed) systems. The earth is in no way a closed system. This argument really just shows ignorance on whoever uses it's part. [quote][i]Theres nothing to lose by not believing in him, and eternal paradise if you do. (Pascal's Wager).[/i][/quote] This is a horrible argument for a number of reasons. First, who says the Christian God is real? There are hundreds of different Gods out there, so why not believe in them too, just to be safe? Secondly, do you really think an omniscient God won't figure out that the only reason you believed in him was because you wanted to go to heaven? Pascal's wagers is one of the worst arguments ever. Period. These are only a few of the arguments that I can remember off the top of my head, but I know I'm missing a ton. Post them below, and I'll destroy them and add them to the OP. Help me spread education and awareness to Offtopic, one post at a time. DC, out.[/quote]
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Okay, how about this? Science describes the natural world, and does not explain it. Religion explains purpose and being, and the supernatural. Religion is belief. If you can prove that a God exists, there is no religion. Then, you are following a being that is within our mortal realm. And lastly, you have said that "Religion is a cancer that can only be purged by eradication." First off, you seem to bash Christianity and nothing else. You say religion as a whole, yet you only focus on a portion of it. If it's a cancer, cut the whole tumor out, not a small section. And you bring up Christianity doing horrible things, name something horrible that Christianity has done in the last ten years. The Westboros don't count, since I think any Christian with half a brain can realize those are extremists. [spoiler]Let's see how he responds to me tugging on his fishing hook. [/spoiler]
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If you are looking for evidence of God the Bungie.net forums are not the place to go, go actually research God, and as a matter of fact all your other arguments. Go research both sides of the argument then come back with some better logic. My advice to you noiseless
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There are also no good arguments against it. Only people like you thinking they're smart and posting things on a bungie thread
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[b]Yah[i]weh[/i][/b]
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You are the biggest and best troll ever man, good for you.
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