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That force thing is hogwash. Both galaxies each with the same rules. Your Star Wars numbers are way off. Just play a Star Wars game like rogue squadron and you know the empire alone daily created thousands of ships not to mention private or planetary productions. Trillions of units? First of all many of the armies you speak of are not at that strength in the games and not relevant to this. Second ships in star wars are on average much larger than topical halo aircraft making your firepower display somewhat underwhelming. To be honest though im more of a halo 1,2,3 player so I might not be giving prometheans enough credit.
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  • Well the topic was the whole of Halo vs Star Wars didn't realise it's a game only thing. As for the force thing that's cherry picking it's clearly shown and was canon and seeing as no contradicting canon has been put in place of it it still stands. Seeing as the Forerunners alone had 3 million worlds trillion/s is not a far off number especially after adding in around 663 sheiks worlds with production plants numerous space stations both in and outside of slipspace and then add in all of humanities and the san'shyum sits not a hard number to reach. Meh neither Promethean's or Armigers (as far as is currently known) are to difficult to destroy but it's their sheer numbers that overwhelm and destroy the enemy. The Halo universe is quiet barebones until Hlao4 and the expanded universe of Star Wars gets to use it so does halo.

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  • The force most definitely is included. In the very first movie it is stated to surround all things and bind them together which is part of their fiction not location. As far as numbers go, the Star Wars universe has over a hundred billion "star systems" most of which include planets that are quite advanced and capable of space flight. If you include the fact that a Sith is capable of popping a star's cherry with a concentrated wink, and mandolorians had armor that was impervious to lightsabers (so everything in halo) I think Star Wars has more than a fighting chance

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  • Indeed it does but as for the force it still doesn't work you are still cherry picking your lines the argument is both universes films games all canon vs the other and EU Star Wars canon the force doesn't affect extra galactic life. As much as it seems you are debating with me you are instead debating with Star Wars own canon. As I've said while the limits are unknown it may be an individual thing or they may be to incapacitate/kill multiple targets constraints fields are a technology based version of the force and it works regardless of Galaxy of origin. I'm not saying Halo would curb stomp Star Wars without a fight but I do see it as Halo has a much better chance of winning at a much lower cost to lives of soldiers. Star Wars has clones fine fair enough but they still take months to mature,train etc Halo can create millions of Knights Armigers and sentinels in hours. As for Star Wars own droid force in comparison to a knight even a heavy battle droid is an unfair match. Tech for tech. Knight:comprised of hard light+ shields use a variety of hard light weapons mainly the light rifle firing compressed super dense beams of light that deconstruct those hit by it at an atomic scale. Uses mini slipspace portals to gain an advantage take cover and reorganise the group. Heavy battle droid: tough armour no shields uses built in laser guns that deal medium damage to a none organic slow to move and movie wise not particularly clever. Trooper wise Halo would have an issue especially with the impervious armour but as I said it's not an individual knight that's the issue its the sheer numbers they attack in.

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  • What canon are you going on about? I have never heard this force doesn't count argument. Also I just explained that combining the standing armies of the star wars universe along with the flash cloning of the empire (insta-meh soldiers) would give Star Wars the numbers advantage.

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  • For some one rooting for Star Wars you seem to be missing some key lore points. Extra galactic life meaning life from outside of the Galaxy isn't directly affected by the force if you've never read the Yuzan Vong story arch you should. Being from another galaxy they are on a different 'frequency' to those of the Star Wars universe (I.e life in their Galaxy wasn't created nor does it contains midiclorians they basically exist outside of the force) Hence why force abilities have no direct effect force push/pull lighting choke hell even battle meditation doesn't work with them. The only way to hurt them via the force was to use the force to pick up say a boulder and squash them with it. Basically making the Jedi and Soth nothing more then excellent saber fighters. Which is still true Except knights have plasma swords which are basically the same thing. As for the clones true the process got refined and became quicker but nowhere near insta clones they still took weeks to mature while Knights and other forerunner armies are grown overnight.

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  • The vong were outside the force spiritually. This had nothing to do with their location. It was more like a natural resistance. Even if it did have to do with their planet, how would this negate the force in the halo universe?

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  • Edited by Leo687: 9/5/2015 3:47:47 AM
    Seeing as both halo and Star Wars are from separate galaxies and Halo doesn't have a force like binding energy I feel it safe to Say they would be 'spiritually' outside of the force. Also no offence but you are the first one to say that they were spiritually outside of it instead of the fact that they have no connection with it what so ever.

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  • Edited by MR Stickabee: 9/5/2015 1:57:17 PM
    Lightning and Sith net effects the vong. Characters strong in the force can influence them with other force moves like push or choke just to a lesser degree. The Star Wars universe isn't taking a field day to the halo universe. Each fiction completely overlaps the other. All of super weapon, aliens, sci-fi, magics, shield systems, etc. are transferring. This force is overpowered argument sounds weak and desperate. Star Wars is better than Halo

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  • Ah so you want a biased fight in the sense that Halo's races are now members of the Star Wars universe and influenced by the force. Well if you can't bow to the canon of your own universe then I quit this debate with you. (Also if you wanted an easy win you could have pointed out that the force doesn't affect biological extra galactic life hence why it DOESNT work on the Vong,their ships,weapons or armour as all are biological in nature. Nothing was said of inorganic's such as Forerunner ships,Knights etc.)

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  • Not biased so much as anything goes

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  • Also, the force does not work on ONE extra galactic race due to a series of events involving a planet with hyperdrives, 2 armies of angry robots and a species of crazy death-cult/anti tech ninja men.

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  • Halo's universe has no force nor midiclorians therefore the races exist outside of the force and its influence.

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  • Until you bring Star Wars to them

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