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9/4/2015 12:49:51 AM
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Respect people those pastors are really mean and you should respect their decisions. My pastor does those weddings but you should consider it an accomplishment if they let gay people in their church for now
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[quote]pastors [/quote]Nobody's talking about pastors here. This is a courthouse, not a church.
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Edited by Sparky: 9/4/2015 10:26:08 AMWell I'm sorry most pastors are ordained ministers after all
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I assume your a Christian. Question: Why does your Pastor do marriages for gays when the Bible directly condemns homosexuality?
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Love your neighbor like a brother. A true Christian is kind and humble. Most Christians these days think the church is supposed to be in authority when the church was never meant to be in authority
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The Bible does not condemn homosexuality. In fact, it does not even recognize it. The entire notion of defining sexuality by orientation itself is a rather modern idea stemming from the Enlightenment. Rather the Bible defines sexuality by actions and as such condemns actions, in this case, actions of a homosexual nature. Now I agree his cleric is clearly heretical for marrying homosexuals since to do so would be to endorse sexual actions of a homosexual nature which are condemned, but I just felt compelled to inform the world that homosexuals are not guilty for their orientation alone. Blessed Seraphim Rose was a homosexual but he renounced his life to become a monastic and is now regarded as a literal modern saint within the Russian Orthodox Church.
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Leviticus 18:22 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. Romans 1:27 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing … 1 Corinthians 6:9 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, The Bible [i]clearly[/i] doesn't speak well of homosexuality. [b][i]Clearly[/i][/b]
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Homosexual actions =/= Homosexual-[b][u][i]ity[/i][/u][/b] Did you read a single thing I wrote? Leviticus condemns an action, Romans speaks of *passion* which is different from mere orientation (I'll go into that if you like), and Corinthians condemns men who *practice* homosexuality. None of these condemn homosexuality in the context of mere orientation. In fact, that's what I originally said. The Bible does not recognize orientation, nor does it define sexuality by orientation. It only recognizes actions and condemns those as well as the people who practice them. But it does not condemn people for their orientation nor their desire to engage in actions, though it does emphasis purity of the heart for all peoples regardless of orientation. Stating that the Bible condemns homosexuality because it condemns homosexual acts is like stating that it condemns heterosexuality just because it condemns adultery and fornication. It does not add up. In fact, the ancient canons of the Church penalize adultery worse than they do gay sex, and gay sex is penalized no worse than basic fornication.
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[quote]Homosexual actions =/= Homosexual-[b][u][i]ity[/i][/u][/b][/quote] How...How in hell does this make sense... If you're doing homosexual actions, you're homosexual. What about the other scriptures that say A man and A woman. It never says A man and A man or a Woman and a Woman in a positive connotation. Wow...I've never thought I'd say this...but you're stupid. I'm sorry but you are. So you're telling me that the Bible condemns homosexual acts....but not homosexuality? Tell me how this sentence, this sentence right mother-blam!-ing here makes sense. What the hell do you think homosexuals do? [b]They preform homosexual acts![/b] The same stuff that the Bible condemns! A straight person wouldn't do homosexual things! That's why their straight! If you're doing homosexual things...[i]Then you're homosexual![/i] So if the Bible says, "Homosexual actions are bad." Because they didn't put the [i]-ity[/i] as a suffix, it's all good? Your post made me laugh and rage at the same time.
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Adultery is a heterosexual act. By condemning adultery, does the Bible condemn heterosexuality? No. It only condemns a particular action. An action which happens to be heterosexual by nature, but still just an action nonetheless. And so it is with homosexuality. The actions are condemned, but the state of being homosexual--having that orientation--is not condemned anymore than heterosexuality is condemned because of the prohibition on adultery. Now if heterosexuals engage in adultery or homosexuals engage in sodomy, then yes, they become guilty. But prior to committing the act, they possess no guilt. Your problem is that you cannot break out of your Enlightenment concept of sexuality and are thus reading it into a religious text that was composed at a time when such a concept never existed. What I am trying to tell you is that within the biblical framework, sexuality is not defined by orientation but by action, nor does having a particular orientation mean that you are destined to engage in that particular action. Just as heterosexual monastics refrain from all sex via celibacy, and even all married heterosexual religious people refrain from certain heterosexual abominations like adultery (or are at least expected to), so it is with homosexuals. In other words, being homosexual does not always entail that you will engage in homosexual actions--again, Blessed Seraphim Rose, a homosexual who lived a life of celibacy following his religious conversion. Nor does it mean that homosexuals are somehow excused from their actions because their orientation "made" them do it, anymore than testosterone vindicates a r@pist.
