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Please refrain from quoting me out of context to make me look foolish.
[quote]It translates to homosexuals. So one can only infer that it means it as a whole as well as the pagan rituals.[/quote]
I'd be happy to debate this subject at a different time. It's irrelevant in our argument, though.
[quote]Services? No. But since Christians believe that Marriage is an institution of God and God said in the Bible that he doesn't approve of homosexuality, then a person would be rational to conclude that they shouldn't take part in tainting God's arrangement so that they won't take part in their fate, which is presumably negative based on my readings to say the least.[/quote]
So we've come to a conclusion that many Christians feel like it is going against their religion to hand out marriage license to homosexuals.
[quote][quote]You completely dodged my question. I was being hypothetical.[/quote]
Try making a more realistic one then.[/quote]
I explained how it could be realistic in the quote below. Please use context when quoting.
[quote]Islam may look down upon other religions but they don't discriminate against them in the U.S. So this scenario is unrealistic.[/quote]
Could it be used as justification for discrimination in the future?
[quote][quote]If everyone was forced to give out marriage licenses to homosexuals then it would be denying their freedom to practice religion.[/quote]
Wait, did you just change sides?[/quote]
I didn't. You just misrepresented me by taking a quote out of context.
Keyword in my above quote is "[b]Everyone[/b]".
[quote]Did you know that you aren't forced to get married at one clerk who doesn't accept homosexuality? There are different clerks who coincide with your standpoint.[/quote]
That whole logic can be applied to a store that discriminates against blacks. They can just go somewhere else, right?
What if a clerk decides that he believes that women are unfit to drive based on his religion (some religions are sexist) and decides that he won't issue a driver's license to women?
What if the nearby counties have clerks that agree and you have to travel an ridiculously far distance to get a driver's/marriage/whatever license?
Isn't it true that they swore an oath to uphold the law?
What's preventing a clerk from making a religion where straight marriage is wrong and then consequently discriminating against straight people who want marriage licenses?
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Edited by Shiloh Ivy: 9/4/2015 1:46:32 AM[quote]I explained how it could be realistic in the quote below.[/quote] A Muslim living in America would not likely discriminate against Christians. If a case like this does erupt however, the Muslim would lose because he has no basis. [quote]Islam may look down upon other religions but they don't discriminate against them in the U.S. So this scenario is unrealistic.[/quote] Could it be used as justification for discrimination in the future? But it is easily defeated due to our minimal Muslim population and one can even say our distaste for them. [quote][quote]If everyone was forced to give out marriage licenses to homosexuals then it would be denying their freedom to practice religion.[/quote] Wait, did you just change sides?[/quote] I didn't. You just misrepresented me by taking a quote out of context. Accidentally, you genuinely confused me here. Homosexuality isn't considered a religion. [quote]What if a clerk decides that he believes that women are unfit to drive based on his religion (some religions are sexist) and decides that he won't issue a driver's license to women?[/quote] He'd have to have a basis, I've studied the worlds religions, some in depth, some just skimming. And none of them can be manipulated enough to justify this. [quote]What if the nearby counties have clerks that agree and you have to travel an ridiculously far distance to get a driver's/marriage/whatever license?[/quote] I'm not sure what the term is....economic conspiracy? Something like that, but it's illegal to do something like that. At that point, you're being malicious, which likely isn't in your religion either and if I was a lawyer, I'd attack that. [quote]What's preventing a clerk from making a religion where straight marriage is wrong and then consequently discriminating against straight people who want marriage licenses?[/quote] I argue that's what we'll eventually coming to. Just kidding don't hate me, I kid, I kid. Well they'd have to make it big enough to be an official religion and have all the characteristics of an official religion to have people follow behind whoever is the leader.
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[quote]A Muslim living in America would not likely discriminate against Christians. If a case like this does erupt however, the Muslim would lose because he has no basis.[/quote] His basis is that the Quran doesn't approve of other religions and he doesn't want a Christian to get a marriage license because he is supposed to hate them but the govenment is forcing him to benefit them with a marriage license. [quote]Islam may look down upon other religions but they don't discriminate against them in the U.S. So this scenario is unrealistic.[/quote] It's very, very possible, though. If you succeed in letting government officials discriminate based on their religion then anyone can discriminate whoever they want to as long as they have a valid claim that it prevents them from practicing their religion. [quote][quote]What if a clerk decides that he believes that women are unfit to drive based on his religion (some religions are sexist) and decides that he won't issue a driver's license to women?[/quote] He'd have to have a basis, I've studied the worlds religions, some in depth, some just skimming. And none of them can be manipulated enough to justify this.[/quote] His hypothetical basis is that because the Bible doesn't allow women to speak, why should they be allowed to do something much more complicated like driving when lives could be at stake? [quote][quote]What if the nearby counties have clerks that agree and you have to travel an ridiculously far distance to get a driver's/marriage/whatever license?[/quote] I'm not sure what the term is....economic conspiracy? Something like that, but it's illegal to do something like that. At that point, you're being malicious, which likely isn't in your religion either and if I was a lawyer, I'd attack that.[/quote] Not a conspiracy, just people who have the same beliefs. [quote][quote]What's preventing a clerk from making a religion where straight marriage is wrong and then consequently discriminating against straight people who want marriage licenses?[/quote] I argue that's what we'll eventually coming to. Just kidding don't hate me, I kid, I kid. Well they'd have to make it big enough to be an official religion and have all the characteristics of an official religion to have people follow behind whoever is the leader.[/quote] How do you determine wether or not a religion is "official"? Does the constitution define what a religion is and does it decide wether you're allowed to follow it based on wether or not it's official? Why doesn't a made-up religion count?
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[quote]His basis is that the Quran doesn't approve of other religions and he doesn't want a Christian to get a marriage license because he is supposed to hate them but the govenment is forcing him to benefit them with a marriage license.[/quote] Ahh and that's where he will lose. It doesn't approve, it doesn't say something like "oppose". [quote]It's very, very possible, though. If you succeed in letting government officials discriminate based on their religion then anyone can discriminate whoever they want to as long as they have a valid claim that it prevents them from practicing their religion.[/quote] But the hard thing about that is that in very few circumstances, this one actually being the first, where this discrimination is warranted due to religion. And doing what they want her to do is clearly against her religion. The thing is, you have to justify it to your religion, which is hard using direct text but in this case, it's doable. [quote]His hypothetical basis is that because the Bible doesn't allow women to speak, why should they be allowed to do something much more complicated like driving when lives could be at stake?[/quote] He wouldn't have a basis because his religion doesn't say they are allowed to speak. And even so, this is a ridiculous analogy. [quote]Not a conspiracy, just people who have the same beliefs.[/quote] It's illegal and has no basis. [quote]How do you determine wether or not a religion is "official"? Does the constitution define what a religion is and does it decide wether you're allowed to follow it based on wether or not it's official? Why doesn't a made-up religion count?[/quote] I don't, people much more important than me do. The religion has to be official, this I know. You can follow whatever you want to but in court, it's going to be hard to Justify breaking the Law in accordance to a religion that I made up just to break the Law. Again, I don't decided these things, people much more important than me do.
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Behind my poor analogies, I have a point. What happens if the nearest clerk that will let you get a marriage license is so far away that you're not able to go? And what determines wether or not a religion is "official" and where does the constitution say that the amendment that protects religious rights (I forgot the number lol) only applies to "official" religions?