[quote]Two things. God never said it was a sin to issue a marriage license to same-sex couples. If you're a clerk or judge then it is your obligation to carry out the law regardless of your beliefs. Should a Muslim clerk be allowed to discriminate against Christians because of religious reasons?[/quote] But marriage licenses for homosexuals did not exist either, so there was no need to make a direct statement about that. However, God does say that homosexuality is an abomination, so anything concerning that is in the wrong. Also, that actually has happened plenty of times. It's just not in the news because no one cares. Schools have compromised themselves according to the rules of Muslim beliefs, however, it is not even allowed to say "God bless you." to someone who sneezes. Yet because a Muslim doesn't want to stand and do the pledge of alligence, he is accomidated because it would be "unethical" to not allow him to practice his religion.

[quote]But marriage licenses for homosexuals did not exist either, so there was no need to make a direct statement about that. However, God does say that homosexuality is an abomination, so anything concerning that is in the wrong.[/quote] He never said that homosexual marriage is wrong, just that homosexual acts are wrong. [quote]Also, that actually has happened plenty of times. It's just not in the news because no one cares. Schools have compromised themselves according to the rules of Muslim beliefs, however, it is not even allowed to say "God bless you." to someone who sneezes. Yet because a Muslim doesn't want to stand and do the pledge of alligence, he is accomidated because it would be "unethical" to not allow him to practice his religion.[/quote] It would be unethical to not let him practice his religion or force him to do something that blatantly goes against his religion. A clerk that doesn't want to issue marriage licenses to gays doesn't have to; he/she can always quit.

[quote][quote]But marriage licenses for homosexuals did not exist either, so there was no need to make a direct statement about that. However, God does say that homosexuality is an abomination, so anything concerning that is in the wrong.[/quote] He never said that homosexual marriage is wrong, just that homosexual acts are wrong. [quote]Also, that actually has happened plenty of times. It's just not in the news because no one cares. Schools have compromised themselves according to the rules of Muslim beliefs, however, it is not even allowed to say "God bless you." to someone who sneezes. Yet because a Muslim doesn't want to stand and do the pledge of alligence, he is accomidated because it would be "unethical" to not allow him to practice his religion.[/quote] It would be unethical to not let him practice his religion or force him to do something that blatantly goes against his religion. A clerk that doesn't want to issue marriage licenses to gays doesn't have to; he/she can always quit.[/quote] ....a homosexual act is getting married to a homosexual. Therefore it being wrong But thats the thing. A person should not have to quit in order to practice their religion. If something comes against their religion they should not have to give up their jobs because they did not want to do something against their religion.

If a Hindu works as a head chef in a restaurant that serves mainly chicken but then switches to lots of beef after he joins then should the restaurant be allowed to fire him for not doing his job and not serving beef because of his religion? [spoiler]By "acts" I meant intercourse.[/spoiler]

But that's the difference. In Christianity, anything that has to do with the concept of homosexuality is wrong. Hindus simply cannot partake of any kind of beef.

The bible also says not to eat pork or shellfish yet bacon and shrimp are still legal for those that aren't religious.

The Bible clearly condemns Homosexuality. Islam is a direct root of Christianity. I doubt they'd discriminate against each other in a modern [i]American[/i] setting. Also, does A new Law overstep one's religious beliefs that are protected by a basic right in the constitution? If so, then how?

[quote]The Bible clearly condemns Homosexuality.[/quote] Does it condemn it as a whole or just the pagan rituals that were common back then where men would dress up like women and have sex to honor their gods? If it does condemn homosexuality as whole then where does it condemn those who don't refuse services to homosexuals? [quote]Islam is a direct root of Christianity. I doubt they'd discriminate against each other in a modern [i]American[/i] setting.[/quote] You completely dodged my question. I was being hypothetical. Islam preaches against other religions (going so far as to say that you should kill "infidels") so is it far-fetched to think that a Muslim might want to discriminate against a Christian for religious reasons? [quote]Also, does A new Law overstep one's religious beliefs that are protected by a basic right in the constitution? If so, then how?[/quote] If everyone was forced to give out marriage licenses to homosexuals then it would be denying their freedom to practice religion. Did you know that you aren't forced to be a clerk and you shouldn't be one if your bias prevents you from carrying out the law?

[quote] Does it condemn it as a whole or just the pagan rituals that were common back then where men would dress up like women and have sex to honor their gods? If it does condemn homosexuality as whole then where does it condemn those who don't refuse services to homosexuals?[/quote] It translates to homosexuals. So one can only infer that it means it as a whole as well as the pagan rituals. Services? No. But since Christians believe that Marriage is an institution of God and God said in the Bible that he doesn't approve of homosexuality, then a person would be rational to conclude that they shouldn't take part in tainting God's arrangement so that they won't take part in their fate, which is presumably negative based on my readings to say the least. (Laugh dammit) [quote]You completely dodged my question. I was being hypothetical.[/quote] Try making a more realistic one then. [quote]Islam preaches against other religions (going so far as to say that you should kill "infidels") so is it far-fetched to think that a Muslim might want to discriminate against a Christian for religious reasons?[/quote] Islam may look down upon other religions but they don't discriminate against them in the U.S. So this scenario is unrealistic. [quote]If everyone was forced to give out marriage licenses to homosexuals then it would be denying their freedom to practice religion.[/quote] Wait, did you just change sides? [quote]Did you know that you aren't forced to be a clerk and you shouldn't be one if your bias prevents you from carrying out the law?[/quote] Did you know that you aren't forced to get married at one clerk who doesn't accept homosexuality? There are different clerks who coincide with your standpoint. I've tried to stay unbiased and argue both sides but the whole damn thing could have been avoided if they went to a different clerk.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman Please refrain from quoting me out of context to make me look foolish. [quote]It translates to homosexuals. So one can only infer that it means it as a whole as well as the pagan rituals.[/quote] I'd be happy to debate this subject at a different time. It's irrelevant in our argument, though. [quote]Services? No. But since Christians believe that Marriage is an institution of God and God said in the Bible that he doesn't approve of homosexuality, then a person would be rational to conclude that they shouldn't take part in tainting God's arrangement so that they won't take part in their fate, which is presumably negative based on my readings to say the least.[/quote] So we've come to a conclusion that many Christians feel like it is going against their religion to hand out marriage license to homosexuals. [quote][quote]You completely dodged my question. I was being hypothetical.[/quote] Try making a more realistic one then.[/quote] I explained how it could be realistic in the quote below. Please use context when quoting. [quote]Islam may look down upon other religions but they don't discriminate against them in the U.S. So this scenario is unrealistic.[/quote] Could it be used as justification for discrimination in the future? [quote][quote]If everyone was forced to give out marriage licenses to homosexuals then it would be denying their freedom to practice religion.[/quote] Wait, did you just change sides?[/quote] I didn't. You just misrepresented me by taking a quote out of context. Keyword in my above quote is "[b]Everyone[/b]". [quote]Did you know that you aren't forced to get married at one clerk who doesn't accept homosexuality? There are different clerks who coincide with your standpoint.[/quote] That whole logic can be applied to a store that discriminates against blacks. They can just go somewhere else, right? What if a clerk decides that he believes that women are unfit to drive based on his religion (some religions are sexist) and decides that he won't issue a driver's license to women? What if the nearby counties have clerks that agree and you have to travel an ridiculously far distance to get a driver's/marriage/whatever license? Isn't it true that they swore an oath to uphold the law? What's preventing a clerk from making a religion where straight marriage is wrong and then consequently discriminating against straight people who want marriage licenses?

[quote]I explained how it could be realistic in the quote below.[/quote] A Muslim living in America would not likely discriminate against Christians. If a case like this does erupt however, the Muslim would lose because he has no basis. [quote]Islam may look down upon other religions but they don't discriminate against them in the U.S. So this scenario is unrealistic.[/quote] Could it be used as justification for discrimination in the future? But it is easily defeated due to our minimal Muslim population and one can even say our distaste for them. [quote][quote]If everyone was forced to give out marriage licenses to homosexuals then it would be denying their freedom to practice religion.[/quote] Wait, did you just change sides?[/quote] I didn't. You just misrepresented me by taking a quote out of context. Accidentally, you genuinely confused me here. Homosexuality isn't considered a religion. [quote]What if a clerk decides that he believes that women are unfit to drive based on his religion (some religions are sexist) and decides that he won't issue a driver's license to women?[/quote] He'd have to have a basis, I've studied the worlds religions, some in depth, some just skimming. And none of them can be manipulated enough to justify this. [quote]What if the nearby counties have clerks that agree and you have to travel an ridiculously far distance to get a driver's/marriage/whatever license?[/quote] I'm not sure what the term is....economic conspiracy? Something like that, but it's illegal to do something like that. At that point, you're being malicious, which likely isn't in your religion either and if I was a lawyer, I'd attack that. [quote]What's preventing a clerk from making a religion where straight marriage is wrong and then consequently discriminating against straight people who want marriage licenses?[/quote] I argue that's what we'll eventually coming to. Just kidding don't hate me, I kid, I kid. Well they'd have to make it big enough to be an official religion and have all the characteristics of an official religion to have people follow behind whoever is the leader.

[quote]A Muslim living in America would not likely discriminate against Christians. If a case like this does erupt however, the Muslim would lose because he has no basis.[/quote] His basis is that the Quran doesn't approve of other religions and he doesn't want a Christian to get a marriage license because he is supposed to hate them but the govenment is forcing him to benefit them with a marriage license. [quote]Islam may look down upon other religions but they don't discriminate against them in the U.S. So this scenario is unrealistic.[/quote] It's very, very possible, though. If you succeed in letting government officials discriminate based on their religion then anyone can discriminate whoever they want to as long as they have a valid claim that it prevents them from practicing their religion. [quote][quote]What if a clerk decides that he believes that women are unfit to drive based on his religion (some religions are sexist) and decides that he won't issue a driver's license to women?[/quote] He'd have to have a basis, I've studied the worlds religions, some in depth, some just skimming. And none of them can be manipulated enough to justify this.[/quote] His hypothetical basis is that because the Bible doesn't allow women to speak, why should they be allowed to do something much more complicated like driving when lives could be at stake? [quote][quote]What if the nearby counties have clerks that agree and you have to travel an ridiculously far distance to get a driver's/marriage/whatever license?[/quote] I'm not sure what the term is....economic conspiracy? Something like that, but it's illegal to do something like that. At that point, you're being malicious, which likely isn't in your religion either and if I was a lawyer, I'd attack that.[/quote] Not a conspiracy, just people who have the same beliefs. [quote][quote]What's preventing a clerk from making a religion where straight marriage is wrong and then consequently discriminating against straight people who want marriage licenses?[/quote] I argue that's what we'll eventually coming to. Just kidding don't hate me, I kid, I kid. Well they'd have to make it big enough to be an official religion and have all the characteristics of an official religion to have people follow behind whoever is the leader.[/quote] How do you determine wether or not a religion is "official"? Does the constitution define what a religion is and does it decide wether you're allowed to follow it based on wether or not it's official? Why doesn't a made-up religion count?

[quote]His basis is that the Quran doesn't approve of other religions and he doesn't want a Christian to get a marriage license because he is supposed to hate them but the govenment is forcing him to benefit them with a marriage license.[/quote] Ahh and that's where he will lose. It doesn't approve, it doesn't say something like "oppose". [quote]It's very, very possible, though. If you succeed in letting government officials discriminate based on their religion then anyone can discriminate whoever they want to as long as they have a valid claim that it prevents them from practicing their religion.[/quote] But the hard thing about that is that in very few circumstances, this one actually being the first, where this discrimination is warranted due to religion. And doing what they want her to do is clearly against her religion. The thing is, you have to justify it to your religion, which is hard using direct text but in this case, it's doable. [quote]His hypothetical basis is that because the Bible doesn't allow women to speak, why should they be allowed to do something much more complicated like driving when lives could be at stake?[/quote] He wouldn't have a basis because his religion doesn't say they are allowed to speak. And even so, this is a ridiculous analogy. [quote]Not a conspiracy, just people who have the same beliefs.[/quote] It's illegal and has no basis. [quote]How do you determine wether or not a religion is "official"? Does the constitution define what a religion is and does it decide wether you're allowed to follow it based on wether or not it's official? Why doesn't a made-up religion count?[/quote] I don't, people much more important than me do. The religion has to be official, this I know. You can follow whatever you want to but in court, it's going to be hard to Justify breaking the Law in accordance to a religion that I made up just to break the Law. Again, I don't decided these things, people much more important than me do.