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8/27/2015 4:09:22 AM
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Red Death and the Messenger
Mk so I've noticed that the messenger is not only as good as, but better than Red Death and this should not be. For the main reason, RED DEATH IS AN EXOTIC! Sorry for yelling but come on. Why is a legendary beating out an EXOTIC in the stats that matter most? Yeah, when we get a kill with red death our health is restored, but hey, we need to get that freaking kill. And if I'm going against a gun with better fire rate, better stability, and I think better range, am I going to get that kill? Probably not. Unless the other guy has terrible aim. Can we two shot with the red death? Because I've never seen it. But guess what I hear all the time in reference to the messenger, 'oh it's so great because I can 2 shot people all the time'. Exotics are supposed to be the top tier in their weapon class, it's not right when you get lucky enough to be around Xur when he's selling it or damned lucky enough to find it as a drop and then switch back to your legendary because the [b]EXOTIC[/b] you just got was crap in comparison to it. I don't really know if Bad Juju is good or not but if something has to be said for the sake of Red Death, well then maybe that's proof enough that it needs to be looked at again too. Now I'm not asking you to make the Red death a 'god amongst men' in reference to all the weapons in Destiny. But, I am asking you to make sure that the exotics are the 'gods amongst men' of their respective weapon class. For example, Thorn and the Last Word... Need I say more? I shall anyways, Thorn is a two shot weapon (which apparently pulse rifles can be) in the right hands (until it's nerfed of course). And if you are in a 1v1 against the freaking Last Word... (Mafia voice) Fugget about it... You're dead. Billy the Kid right there. Gjally is not even worth going into detail about, we all know what it does. My point is that the pulse rifle exotics need to be 'gods amongst men' when talking about pulse rifles, Red Death in particular. Anything less than the best (for Red Death) is a felony :P. So that is my request Bungie. Make the exotic pulse rifles live up to what it means to be an exotic.
Any questions, comments, concerns are gladly welcome. Any haters will hate anyways so you are welcome as well.
Thanks. Rand0mst1cky, signing off.
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There no way you can say one is better than the other it still depends on the player.
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I stopped reading after you said messenger had a better fire rate. This post is useless. Red Death has better fire rate but worse impact but both are capable of a two burst kill. The problem with the Red Death is it has serious recoil but lucky that recoil only goes up so its not hard to control. How can you even post shit like this, it's like you don't even play pvp
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The funny thing is: Hopscotch Pilgrim is better then both
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Red death came out before the expansions and suffers the problem of being best in class in the past but now it's got competitors no one planned for. This has been a Bungie trend as there playing their cards as it goes on they tend to trip over past decisions and the old gets replaced by the new with little consideration for the future ie the thorn buff, auto nerf, vex nerf The solution would be to buff one stat on the red death or give it head seeker Rebuff auto rifles and make SUROS behave like a scout whole ads Give vex a major stability boost so smart drift isn't a necessity The problem is Bungie won't make weekly hot fixes for fear of Giving away that they are running blind and that the fixes might cause issues and need to take the game down The point is Bungie made a lot of mistakes and will never fix them as we have seen from the chaos of weapon balance and the bugs and basic overlooks is give us X good weapons and X/2 vault space Until we get full transparency this stupidity will continue The irony of it all is that Bungie rely so strongly in feedback that to not have direct lines of communication on the forum is borderline delusional, they say they feel like a small studio even though they have legions of people working for them, but the idea that the CMs behave like advertisers and PR reps is so painfully similar to the way that EA and Activision do business that really is a sign of how downhill the game industry is headed
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Git gud
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Not to be "that guy", but in normal PvP (not Iron Banner or Trials) the Stranger's Rifle beats Red Death...and it is just a rare (that everyone gets for beating the short campaign)
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5 RepliesThis is to long lol can't read
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Red death can and will 2 burst kill if you land all headshots. It is a gun that rewards skill. Even a maxed health gardian (warlock with max armor and the ram) ar like 217 will fall. It has a critical damage in the mid to high 30's this makes it a force to be reckoned with. Plus the health gain from it makes it an amazing counter for thorn (the current meta favorite). That being said the messenger is a gun from ToO. The weapons from that are supposed to be simular in power to that of raid weapons. This is true for the messenger. This gun only appears to out class red death because of the Stat trees. But to each their own. Have a good day gardian. Just my 2 cent
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2 RepliesMaybe because you stink
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2 RepliesPersonal opinion. I think exotics should be taken out of crucible. It allows for more gun skill. Yes there are some OP legendary weapons like messenger but its still nothing like a thorn where you burn someone or some other perk thats OP for pvp.
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Messenger is harder to get. Requires much more skill to get (esp an adept version). And it doesn't have an exotic perk. Base stats for these two weapons make them a healthy give/take when choosing between them. Perks make them even harder to choose between: Red Death: spends your exotic slot but gives you health regeneration. Messenger: no health regen, but now can use special or heavy exotic. Seems pretty balanced to me.
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Edited by ARMY_boy_PR: 8/28/2015 12:54:07 AMI dont agree. In a fight with Thorn Red Death can easily win. Exotics not necesarily are the best of the best. Exotics are just special because they have unusual perks and design.
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YOU DON'T HAVE EITHER OF THEM SO SHHHHHHH
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I much rather have an Issue with the Universal remote and the Invective. The UR gets massively outclassed by the Felwinter and the Invective is slightly outclassed by the Found Verdict (mostly because the FV has more range, isn't an exotic and has 2 bullets more. Yes, it's RoF is a bit lower). Both legendaries...
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15 RepliesEdited by StrictlyTy: 8/27/2015 11:12:49 PMRed Death has a faster fire rate than The Messenger. The Red Death can Two shot. Hell the Stranger's rifle can two shot. What are you talking about? Edit: Oh you're new. No wonder. LOL.
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Then No Land Beyond is better than Black Hammer in its current state. Great logic bro.
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1 ReplyYou can two burst kill with the red death if you're at medium range, any further and you miss your third shots
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Exotics supposed to be better? I disagree. To me the only difference is that exotics have a unique feature or function not normal to other guns. Save for the exotic hand cannons, which are getting hit hard with the nerf bat, most exotics do not actually out preform their legendary counter parts. in PvP, exotic shotties are outpreformed by legendaries. in PvP, Gjallarhorn's crazy damage in unnecessary, but otherwise it is one of the few guns that sit strongly above legendaries (and is getting nerfed). Truth isn't that much better than normal launchers, the tracking is only mildly noticeable. Mida isn't the best scout rifle. Bad Juju isn't the best pulse rifle. Most of the exotic auto rifles are not even ideal weapons. Icebreaker doesn't do more damage than another sniper, it's got regen (though that is getting nerfed). VERY few exotics are stand strongly above their legendary counterparts, and when they do they get nerfed. why should Red Death be any different?
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8 RepliesThe Red Death regenerates health when you get a kill, isn't that cause enough for an exotic?
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1 ReplyExotic means special, not better
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Hopscotch pilgrim is just as good
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Mk, I'm getting a lot of replies that I don't understand am overjoyed to hear. All I need now is a tiny bit of gameplay to put all my worries to rest.
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1 ReplyEver heard of a paragraph?
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RD has higher rof its better
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2 RepliesDon't forget HOPSCOTCH too!
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3 RepliesRed Death is absolutely two shot, if all six are head shots. Look, Red Death really isn't meant for anything other than close to mid range engagements due to the recoil and range. In that sweet spot, you're beastly though because pacing those shots and taking advantage of that health regen is amazing. The Messenger (not that I have one, but from fighting it) seems to be built for longer engagements. As long as you pick your engagement area, and have steady aim, Red Death will absolutely outgun the Messenger. I do it all the time
