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8/26/2015 11:01:12 PM
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I read some grimoire cards about researchers asking a war mind to help them escape the virtual reality of a Vex, who has made identical copies of them to simulate different outcomes. These researchers then freak out, because they can't be sure what is real and what isn't. (sounds like some weird quantum physics BS tbh. Needing an external observer to determine what is real and what is not. Schrödinger's cat and such) They further proceed to enter a vex mind/gate/spire/vault of glass/whatever with 999 identical copies of them on a HDD with the goal of releasing them onto the Vex Network. 4 questions for you, dear loremaster: 1) WTF? 2) What happened to them after they entered the vex network? 3) What's the point of bringing the copies with them? 4) Why did they freak out because they got simulated? Technically speaking, humans are subjective creatures. I think, therefore I am. What I can feel, taste, etc, is what I consider real. And through myself experiencing these things, and thinking, I basically confirm what's real myself. In how far does it matter that they get simulated? A Vex can't simulate everything (not talking about the Warmind reference here), so just walking out of the lab, and making some holidays on earth, should have solved their problems.
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  • The Vex simulated entire universes from just what it saw. Walking out of the lab wouldn't have done anything. They're supremely powerful. They sent the simulated copies that they saved into the Vex network at the Citadel. The team stayed safe in the lab while their minds were channeled through a Warmind into proxy, robotic bodies. They wanted to send the simulated copies into the network to see what's it's like, to see what the Vex see. The Vex was like a god in the simulation. It could have done anything: tortured them, killed them, turned them into experiments. And if there is only one reality, the chances were that they were in the simulation.

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  • [quote] The Vex was like a god in the simulation. It could have done anything: tortured them, killed them, turned them into experiments. And if there is only one reality, the chances were that they were in the simulation.[/quote] Thank you for your answer. I want to nitpick here :) But... Does it matter if the chances are like that? The simulations aren't real, and the researchers who are real should have no issue with just walking out and enjoying life. It seems, at least to me, that this is a forced plot with no coherent logic by itself. Those are simulations, who gives an eff? I like the rest of your answers, as they are a less convoluted synopsis of the grimoire, highlighting the most important events. (I also appreciate your answer concerning the quoted part. It just seems as though this part simply escapes my comprehension. There is no logic for me, because the real researchers should know that they are themselves. Or is a Vex capable of mind melding real people, not being simulations?)

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  • The simulations are indistinguishable from reality. They researchers didn't know whether they were real or just one of the simulations. The real team feared they were in a simulation, so they couldn't just walk out. Even if they did, the Vex simulates an entire universe, so they would still be in the simulations

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