it can get rough man... had a group 2 weeks ago, or maybe 3 weeks ago... i've done it so much they are starting to bleed together lol, that we almost couldn't kill templar because 2 guys where just shooting at walls around the templar so people would think they were "helping" while not actually doing anything. (other 2 were under geared only level 29-30 and had un upgraded weapons 1 guy was 34 and i was running relic) needless to say i started getting suspicious and watched them and found out after 3 or 4 attempts kicked them, found replacements and mopped it up no problem. the way some are in this game currently its about pathetic, guess you have better luck than i do with people lol