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8/25/2015 9:19:15 AM
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Titan Defender Subclass in PvP - Indestrucable Bubble
Overall the Titan is the weakest class in PvP. And in all honesty should be renamed because it is not worthy of the name "Titan". Titans "abilities" are simply out-classed by the Hunter and Warlock in PvP. The proof is in the stats. And if you do more analysis, you are sure to find that the majority of the communities best players do not use the Titan in PvP, especially not in Trials.
Read the description of the Titan class and tell me if it feels true in PvP. Titan are challenging to compete with because you are so disadvantaged. You have to primarily rely on being a very good shooter or on the opposing team huddling together in a control match and not paying attention to the radar, but that radar thing only applies to the Striker Class.
S lets look at the Titan Defender and its "indestructible bubble" or "super cancelling bubble". First neither are true so please stop. The Hunters Golden Gun can down the Defenders bubble in 2 shots with 1 to 2 shots left in its barrel. Winner - Hunter Golden Gun. The Hunter Blade Dancer appear to have the strongest overshield in the game and can kill you both inside and outside your bubble. Lol yeah go ahead and wear you "Helm of Saint-14," it wont help you. In both cases your bubble goes down and likely teabagged. "Well wait a minute, the defender can survive if he has that Armor of Light,"....hm maybe. And that's a BIG maybe, but in the end its all unlikely. Now the Warlock. The Warlock Voidwalker's super has perk that can not only cancel or take out the defenders bubble, but it can also kill everyone inside the "indestructible" bubble. You don't say. That's right, use the nova bomb that splits into 3 projectiles and you will not only down the bubble but you will kill everything near and inside the bubble. The Titan Striker will do the same damage. All die within the bubble.
The Titan Defender is not a Threat in PvP. Especially not in the hands of your day to day players. Yeah there are few that will make the argument that they are amazing but these people are "playing" and are not "competing" and in some cases they are just a very good player all round and are not your avg.
THOUGHT
1. The Titan Defenders Bubble should be "IN-DE-STRUCT-ABLE".
2. Bladedancer is a weapons and should not be allowed to come in the bubble while active.
3. Maybe the defender should get some PvP points if team get kills while under Weapons or Blessings of Light.
***Guarantee you will see a balance of Titan Defender use in PvP just from the above changes if not just from [1.].***
FUTURE IDEAS
1a. Could the Bubble trap players? Allow enemies to go inside the bubble but prevents them from exiting the bubble. Maybe a new exotic would allow that feature. That way Armor of Light would be more useful. It should also closely resemble a current exotic and not the "Helm of Saint-14" because no one goes inside those bubble in PvP accept Bladedancers.
1b. Exotic or Perk that prevents enemies from entering the bubble. Enemies that try get electrocuted and die or receive some set damage. Lol or maybe it just bounces enemies back away from the bubble in which case they could potentially die from hitting stationary objects; similar to hitting people with sparrows.
1c. Exotic or Perk that allows the Titan to shrink the Bubble killing enemies trapped inside. This related to [1a.] above.
1d. Exotic to allow the Defender Only or Team, while inside the bubble, to shoot outside the bubble. At least in this scenario they have a chance if the bubble is not made "indestructible". This perk would also allow the Titan who created the bubble to shoot inside the bubble. This is useful for when a titans bubble gets hijacked by the enemy team in PvP....Lol which is really funny when it happens.
2. I am also thinking of COOP Supers, whereby one guardian creates the super and another can enhance it in some way shape or form. Such as the Titan Defender creates a bubble and a Warlock Voiwalker can make it last longer or emit shockwaves from it etc...
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Your THOUGHT #3 is a thing already. You get +15 Support points for every kill a teammate gets if they have active weapons or blessing, not sure about armor since I've never had teammates kill someone inside my bubble. I'd like to see Bungie fix the bubble so Razors Edge and Shockwave can't travel through the bottom of the bubble like it's not 360° around.
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2 RepliesTitan Helmet with exotic perk - Enemies entering Ward of Dawn are suppressed. Sounds good to me.
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I'm going to let you know that in the beta you could shoot out of the bubble but not into it. This became very clear how broken it was and changed to what it is today. If you're looking to make the bubble a more useful class try using a high impact sniper with weapons of light (lots of fun). Another thing you could try is actually being supportive. For example armor of light with the melee that generates orbs when our kill with your melee.
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I dont think strikers are weak at all Defender in pvp? Absolutely Btw talking about exotics i saw an idea for one called "insanitys cage" Description "am i locked in here? .... With you?!"-enemies of the light Perk: enemies cannot leave a titan bubble once entered(increase effectiveness of armor of light)
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It would make Control matches unplayable. Everyone would just be popping bubbles over zones. I wouldn't even play it.
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You also forgot that the offensive rt(or whatever it's called on play station) abilities can Destroy the bubble and those inside of it very quickly
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8 RepliesDon't say that Titans need a buff because they don't the Strikers are op as it is probably the bane of my existence its defender that needs the buff. Just saying people will disagree a lot if you say Titans are underpowered its defenders that are other than that I agree with you
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2 RepliesNice spelling in the title
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22 RepliesFirst If YOU look at my profile you'll see I have all three classes, second you can look at my pvp stats, they are not the greatest, but I'm far from a scrub. Now I main a Titan, last night I knocked out the Rumble bounty with my Defender bubble, and I can tell you it's far better than you think, I can honestly use either class and dominant, but my Titan is my favorite, I can shut down zones, block heavy traffic routes and cap zones so easily with it. It's the hardest class to master and the most rewarding, once you learn WHEN to use your super and what perks suit your play style, it's easily the most powerful Class in PVP & PVE!
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2 RepliesEdited by HELP1NG HAND: 8/26/2015 6:17:10 AMI agree that the Defenders are underpowered in PVP. Strikers too to a lesser extent. However, as someone who mains a Defender titan -even in the Crucible- I have to tell you that there are a number of mistakes in your post. Defenders DO have an overwhelming advantage while their ward is up. People say they crush defenders -not this Defender. Not when my ward is up. A striker will kill me almost every time with his super, that much is true. But the rest is about about 2/3. Except for those poor bladedancers. Those sad, unfortunate souls. They come charging in with no plan to speak of aside from shake off the mag full of buckshot that I will empty into them, and slash a super powered armored gorilla to death on his ground. ...Yea, that rarely goes well for them. If I see them coming, they nearly ALWAYS lose. Hard. Contrary to what you may believe, the Defender actually DOES get support points for any ally that scores a kill while buffed by BoL or WoL. 15 points per kill to be exact. The thing is however, that few people use those and always go with the Armor, so its not widely known. Now the Saint-14 is a MONSTER in PVP, especially when paired with Armor of Light, and my personal favorite: the Invective. A good defender rocking this setup is almost NEVER going to lose to someone who's not bringing a super with him. -Unless that someone is accompanied by at least 3 more someones. Who are all carrying shotguns. You slap on Bastion and Untouchable, and just one person can lock down an objective or major artery of movement for about a third of the game. Now, despite all of this the Defender is still underpowered, in my personal opinion. The only really powerful thing he has going for him is his super, and it still loses to nearly every other super out there. His grenades are good, but no better than any other class's, and his melee is terrible for PVP.
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1 ReplyFour defenders, 2 gunslingers, really annoying bullshit. Bottom line, defender titans are pure support. Your job is to generate orbs for your team mates.
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2 RepliesIndestructible Ward of Dawn? Imagine that in Control or Salvage. The Crucible is already broken as it is.
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1 ReplyAgreed for a melee-heavy class that is supposed to be tankiest it fails incomparison to: The Ram Titans also have the worse melee: Disintegrate/Force Barrier needs a KILL to activate Finally, the melee's range is god awful compared to: Lock shotgun range No blink Weak grenades (magnetic grenade can be evaded by SIMPLY RUNNING) Weak Super (Bubble) W
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5 Replies[quote]1d. Exotic to allow the Defender Only or Team, while inside the bubble, to shoot outside the bubble.[/quote] So let me get this straight: you want to be invincible while you gun down everyone you see. For Thirty. F-cking. Seconds?! That would be the most OP bullsh-t I'd ever seen in a competitive game since Speed Boost Blaziken. Look, judging by your stats, you're below average. I understand that you're frustrated, but you haven't developed to the point where you can bring out a classes' full potential. Ward of Dawn is hands down THE most lethal Super if you know how to use it. Stop using Armor of Light like a noob, get yourself Her Benevolence or Efrideet's Spear, and use Weapons of Light for the Traveler's sake! It's like having an Über Golden Gun with 16 bullets for 40-60 seconds that builds your Super energy for your next Über Golden Gun!
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1 ReplyThe Defender may benefit if suppression were added to the effects of the ward of dawn I feel the Titan melee needs a revision (not shoulder change) it has the highest risk level with the lowest chance of payoff. I suggest buffing Titan melee damage
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1 Replywould be cool if there was an exotic that made the bubble static, so that it moved with the titan, instead of just stay in one place
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I concur as to what you are saying about the titian bubble. I do remember after an update the armor of light was nerf.... When you read the description of armor of light; it is a lie. Thank you for writing this, and hopefully the powers that be are listen...
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Edited by Valak Dhur: 8/26/2015 3:09:49 PMI can just imagine a titian piping a bubble then another inside popping one and having the bubble morph, doubling in size and strength and turn black or something that would be awesome. Fist of Havok could just make a more huge shockwave and give allies shocking fists or something dunno that's kinda hard to duo. Two radiances could catch allies on fire doing contact damage as well as speeding recharges. Void bombs could leave beside void stains or something idk. That would be hard to duo. Golden gun could give explosive bullets and solar damage to allies. Blade dancer could make allies speed up and leave a spark trail.
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Supers are kinda like playing tick tack toe with each other and the Titan try's to play the game with his actual toes, tricky but not impossible lol
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5 Repliestitans are soo salty
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I would use any of those exotics they all sound cool. Also, you're right about buffing the defender for pvp. The defender is amazing in pve, but it sucks in pvp.
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Titans the master class. You try defending your whole fireteam from a barrage of fire in pve. They're the best class just defender is pve and striker is pvp. It just all depends on which one your more skilled at. I've tried all 3 classes and so far prefer titan over any other.
