half of the problem (on the PvE side) is not our fault, but Bungie's. They are quick to show us figures on how (made up example) 90% of Raid completions have consisted of Gjlallarhorn multiple times, figures on (another made up example) how many times the Devil Walker has been killed by Black Hammer and so on which suggests that these weapons are overpowered. Look at it in this way... Almost every single boss in the game will do an area of effect damage to you if you get close to it whether it be some shock waves, burning, or even just a one hit melee. This eliminates the use of exotic shotguns. Bosses such as Crota require your team to stand relatively far away from him when downing his shield meaning that people want a weapon that can hit from range without the chance of missing a few rounds. This eliminates the use of exotic heavy machine guns and highlights the use of exotic launchers. See where I am going? Now I am not saying it is impossible to beat Crota without a rocket launcher as it is far from it, but the mechanics in the game just hold your hand and allow you to nuke a boss from a safe distance with no complications IF you use a rocket launcher, hence the high numbers of people foaming over Gjallarhorn. Here is an idea on how this problem could be fixed. Imagine a boss arena where the boss does not do an area of effect attack when you get close, cannot one hit kill you with a melee, and uses an ability to draw Guardians closer to him/her when they try to run away. This immediately allows exotic shotguns to come in to play since you will be able to fight up close without having some kind of bullshit attack down you instantly. The same can be said for Auto Rifles as you will not face the damage drop off. This does limit the use of launchers, but doesn't make them useless. Now that the boss does not use an AoE attack, the Guardians up close can take the attention of the boss allowing another team member to get to a safe distance where the rocket will not cause the player any damage before getting dragged back. Just a little idea off of the top of my head, feel free to add or disagree or whatever but I would like a civil conversation about my opinion/idea. TLDR the guns are not the problem, the in game mechanics are.

*wakes up* *shoots OP with NLB* *goes back to sleep*

Honestly the most realest thing you could do for the crucible is use nothing but legendary weapons doesn't mean there less good then some exotics it means that everything and I mean everything has there strengths and weaknesses just have to know how to counter and its like you don't have to be the best to get the best but you sure as he'll need to be the best to go up against it haha

Its not "our fault". We all use the best tools at our disposal. Regularly doing otherwise is stupid. On raids, PoE and content that has teammates depending on me to do my job, i dont screw around using a khostov just for fun. When im doing missions, patrol stuff that doesnt affect other players, i use weapons i dont normally use. We shouldnt have to use shit weapons in hopes that Bungie wont take away the good ones. I have no intention on using the galley for the next 9 years. BORING But i dont like all the time, materials, and effort i spent maxing out full inventories to just be discarded. Its insulting.

Bungie wants you to progress in the game not stuck with all the same stuff.

I will explain why you're wrong. It is down to bungie to design encounters that the player base would enjoy and not want to burn through. Instead of boring bullet sponges that all do the same thing.

Good to see some sensible people on the forums.

Bad habits and exploits arent going to change with the new META. People have found outliers in every group of weapons from every dlc that outperform other guns in a given situation. Example: Crucible Vanilla Destiny- Suros Regime dominated Patch with TDB- Rise of Thorn and TLW HoW- Hopscotch Pilgrim and Messenger So even if our old weapons dissolve to dust, there will be new outliers that fill thosr voids. There will be some OP guns and unless you have other OP guns to counteract those, then its the story of now all over again. My 2 cents anyways.

"Blink Shotgunning your way to victory? R.I.P. Scrub" Lol. Amazing.

I only disagree with the black hammer nerf. They are taking a truly unique and situational weapon and making it a gimmick. Doesn't really matter though, it will be left behind. None the less, I'm happy for the rebalancing and looking forward to the new weapons.

I want to apologize for being a Thorn scrub for a long time. It was the best weapon I had so I always used it. But now since I've gotten my Hopscotch Pilgrim, I've changed. I've been using that over Exotic primaries.