Being loot based doesn't make it an mmo are you dumb, anything where you need loot to stay relevant in end game is loot based. Destiny is an fps-rpg, guess what it has loot and an end game that changes and becomes higher tier after expansions, you don't grind an early end game item and expect it to last until the final end game revision. That's literally retarded, there would be no reason to add new loot because it would barely be used.
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People were just arguing that it should ascend because its an MMO.