I didn't get to play VoG until my friends had figure it out because of conflicting work times. But when I did play it for the first time, it was legit. Even though they knew what to do, it was still a great time. It's going to be hard to beat that raid as far as enjoyment. Took the day off Crota was released thus no cheese. Crota is easy now, but with the levels we went into that raid with... geez... it was hard as hell. My first play through of a raid will always be without cheese. And I'll never work on a day a raid comes out ever again. Lol