Never even knew there was a cheese on VoG until after they patched Atheon. Did everything legit until we got it down, then it became "Hey, I want to do this fast, can we wipe and snipe the oracles/ Can you just swing across the bridge while we climb the tower or die?" I like doing it legit, but Crota is usually down to me and maybe one or two people because my group's been absent playing other stuff, so at that point, yeah just cheese. But guess I'm a bit off topic since we're talking about our first raid.