Dude, I'm so stoked. I just got my Titan to 34 with VoG gear. Also, I've got my 365 VoC. I just need a few more Etheric Light to get the rest of my VoG weapons to 365 and then I'm going to be all set with TTK drops! Hell yeah! What you read above is what I would be saying if any of my legendary gear was going to be ascendable when TTK comes out. But hey, 365 Fatebringer will still wreck asses in Crucible/Iron Banner, right? Right? Right? [spoiler]Right?[/spoiler] [spoiler]Wrong. Dammit.[/spoiler]

Are you gonna stop playing Destiny if you can't ascend your gear for TTK?

Im wondering is there still going to be et....light given out in poe when TTk comes out

You can ascend old legendarys by sacrificing another legendary weapon of the same class.

Another well written post guardian. Well done. My thoughts are simple. Year one was a huge waste of time. All the work I (and others) put in was basically for nothing. All that endless grinding was useless. I understand Bungivision trying to help newer players catch up but I have met plenty newer players who got to level 34 without difficulty. Anyway this is what I have learned from playing year one and how I will play year two: Step 1 - Don't buy any DLCS during year two. Step 2 - Wait for Bungivision to announce the new year three super discounted prices and tell players year two weapons will be useless in year three. Step 3 - Watch history repeat itself with veteran players once again being upset about wasting their time. Step 4 - Laugh hysterically. Step 5 - Continue laughing Step 6 - Purchase year two DLCs at ridiculously lower prices. Step 7 - Play and compete all year two content in a few weeks. Step 8 - Wait for year four the following year. Step 9 - Repeat.

[quote]You put Etheric Light in and people were still grinding and getting the new weapons and armor for both Dark Below and House of Wolves DESPITE having the ability to further upgrade their old shit.[/quote] This, right here. It's like people don't understand the concept of being able to love [i]all][/i] your children, not just your firstborn. DX

It's TDB all over again!

Bump [spoiler]sorry for the extra bumps. I want to use them before Bungivision takes them away. "Who wants to use the same bumps for ten years?"[/spoiler]

When you play a level 30 raid and use a 365 attack value fatebringer, those extra 65 damage points over 300 don't have any effect. When you're too over powered your level and damage are brought down to balance out damage. Using new weapons that are even stronger still won't have any extra oomph behind them as they're set around 300 (I believe it's around 300-310) attack in a 30 raid. This answers the question, if you were wondering, how we die in level 12 strikes as a 34.. Should be impossible right? We get nerfed when we're OP

Don't blame bungie blame activision...bungie couldn't afford to produce this game without the financial support of activision. That's what -blam!-ed them over. If they could get out of their contract with activision then we would have the game we asked for. But they can't and that's why the game is being broken down into dlcs. Bungie is the game. Activision is the wallet.

tl;dr

Bump. Well said, the truth hurts bungie.

Bump for truth. Well said.

HEAR ME OUT! how are we supposed to "become legend" when we can't bring some of our current legendary gear into the next adventure with us? Cause destiny is about "becoming legend" Here's my solution. Think about the title, really hard.. Are we really becoming legend if we can't bring some of our legendary gear with us into the next great adventure? Here's my solution: I think we should be allowed to bring [i][b][u]ONE[/u][/b][/i] of our favorite legendary guns from [b][i][u]EACH WEAPON TYPE[/u][/i][/b] So for example I could bring... Scout rifle: VOC sniper rifle: LDR 5001 Rocket launcher: the fear Machine gun: the swarm And so on... Into year 2 This would allow us to hang on to our favorite guns and still make new gear very good and sought after. Please leave your thoughts below, I'm open to criticism and alternative ways.

Go into Taken King using only white rarity weapons and armor, like a new player. Then see if your Legendary Weapons and Armor are a waste of time.

You have destiny too much at heart mate. I feel you, I played this game while on physio and I have to say I was spending my days on it. But destiny is a business managed by businessmen not artists. I laugh at the people who reply to your post saying year one was an experiment, go tell this to the shareholders. $500million on the table. Nothing is an experiment here. Deej and the others are just tools, they could be whoever, they have no say in whatever and their curriculum clearly doesn't match a $500milliom dollar investment. They are the perfect interface for children. All this community BS is just dictated by the marketing and socio-psychology departments to maintain an atmosphere of communication, of care. Basic 2-year old psychology. Bungie is managed like a casino. The reason of life for the majority of players is Destiny. In fact they don't own a playstation or xbox, they own destiny. So whatever you can do will not change the cash cow aspect that destiny is for Microsoft, because destiny, be it the shitiest game around, is their holy grail, the place in their life where they feel they have skills, where their ego finally lives, where they get excitement at the moment of the loot, even if they got all there is to take. But look at it, all is fake. Aiming is automatic, every "end-game" or so called "skilled" activity is glitched/bugged. Skolas is certainly the most boring activity they created. But the real decline of this game is due to bungie actually screwing up with what was driving the true success of this game: a caring community of young adults and older people. Making 6 people play together to win an adventure was what made the success of this game. You wanted to beat Atheon, and for that we needed to be 6. It was full of bugs but no one cared, because together we could make it. But by doing so Bungie took away a vast segment of clients, i.e. children who are not supposed to play this game but wanted to finish the VOG. This created a shitty tendency at bungie, in other words to make the game and end game activities accessible to isolated clients. The dark below was a first step towards this. By making almost the whole raid glitchable by one person, bungie attracted this huge segment, because children love glitching and youtubing. But still many couldn't find team, even of 4, to complete it. So make the PoE, with 3 people, and do the same with crucible... What I'm trying to say is that this game will die not because it won't go up in quality, but because the people that liked to play in 6 are gone, and they can't stand this wave of children who now make up most of the community of this game. If bungie was managed like Apple, this game would be a star product and shares would be twice if not 3x higher. Unfortunately the shares are barely beta positive.

I agree 100% with Malphisto. And furthermore, if TTK involves no longer allowing ascension of Year One gear I am done with this game. I have put over 3000 hours in on 2 profiles but I will remove the game from my Xbox HDD if you do that. Period. I took 3 characters to rank 5 in Iron Banner last week. I WANT to love this game, but since hearing that every second I played it last week and every second I play it between now and 9/15 , and every other of the 10 million plus OTHER seconds I've played so far for that matter has been and will be a complete waste of time I haven't even loaded it. I'm betting your server traffic is an indication that I'm not alone in this decision... For the first time in nearly a year I'm playing OTHER games and all my friends that played Iron Banner with me last week are too. Here's a tip you greedy jerks. It's NOT all about the new players. Yeah, I know you stand to make more money off new blood, but if you don't keep some of us around there will BE no base to make your game great and lasting. To make it anything more than a traded disappointment. A flash-in-the-pan monument to poor corporate decision making. Did it ever occur to you that all you have to do if you want us to stop using the Thorns and the Gjallerhorns we worked so hard to get is put something BETTER or MORE INTERESTING into the arsenal? You don't have to jerk them away from us and spit on us with your new more powerful Green crap. All this wishy washy flip-flopping with nerfs and buffs, really just makes you look like you are incapable of getting it right. What kind of sense does it make to bother nerfing ANYTHING if you're just going to wipe it all anyway? I'm OK with nerfing the Thorn's DoT. To be honest getting killed by that has been annoying and the only reason I play with it instead of my Fatebringer is because if you can't beat 'em you might as well join 'em. It IS way overpowered. But the Gjallerhorn? Here's a concept, make Wolfpack rounds an available perk on OTHER rocket launchers. And while we're on the subject, why is the frickin' Thorn the ONLY GUN IN THE GAME WITH DoT???? THINK, man! THINK! I don't play with the guns I do because they have high damage ratings. I play with them because they fit my playing style. They're fun to work with. I ground your Raids SO many times. I have three maxed copies of almost all the Raid weapons. I have three Gjallerhorns (5 if you counted the 2 I've broken down along the way). I ground and ground and it was all for nothing because the nanny state developers at Bungie have decided that a few whiny little kids in Mommy's garages need some freshness because they don't want to put the time in to get the good stuff. You want fresh, get off the couch and go take a shower. Me, I'm OK with some freshness in ADDITION to all the cool stuff I've learned to play with and love. But I want all the work I've done to build a collection of weapons that are fun to shoot crybaby newbs with not to amount to a lot of wasted time. I can promise you this. If that IS what happens, I won't waste a minute more of my life on THIS game. I certainly won't buy your 3rd DLC. I'll bid you adieu and move on. I'll just have to fall in love with Halo or Elder Scrolls again. A lot of the trolls proclaiming their happiness about this slap in the face to the base are people who weren't here from the beginning. When the VoG was the only Raid it was pretty lame but we kept at it because we were all hoping the DLC would increase the amount of fun stuff to do. But then when you released TDB and there was no ascension, the game got pretty lame because nobody wanted to play VoG anymore. What was the point? So we were back to where we started. Playing a game with one Raid. Then HoW came out and BOOM!!! It was fun again. You could get parties together to run BOTH the old Raids AND PoE and Trials. VoG is fun. TDB is fun. PoE is sorta fun. If you do this, it will literally be impossible to get anybody to put in the effort, so we're back to playing a game with one Raid and worse because most of the people I have been playing with all this time, who stuck it out all this time have said basically what I'm saying. If they do this, we're done. Moving on to something else. 'I hope Halo 5 is good.' Heard that a few times this week. 'Honestly, I'm getting pretty tired of playing a game with no trading system anyway.' Right? 'Come play Elder Scrolls Online. You can TRADE!' Hard to argue with that. I have several guns in my vault that my friends want, just hoping for the day you let us share our stuff. But you're definitely going the other direction it looks like. Out with old. In with the new. Boo. What these trolls don't realize is that what you're talking about doing isn't just taking the guns and armor we love away and forcing us to eat your new crap. You're taking away most of the content of Year One TOO. Good luck getting your friends to help you grind to GET your Fatebringer or your Fang, new kid. Ain't happenin'. Grinding for a Fatebringer was a big PART of Year One. Now my kids will never have the pleasure. The biggest complaint I've heard about this game, from the beginning, AD NAUSEUM is that you have to do the same crap over and over again. That there isn't enough to do. That was true up until HoW. Then it kinda wasn't after HoW. Now it looks like it's gonna be again. The way to FIX that isn't to take away all the old. It's to ADD TO IT. I'm tired of lesser minds deciding my fate (so wanted to say Destiny) and even lesser minds defending it because they're too lazy to grind for the good stuff. And honestly, if this is the reward we get for grinding so hard for all that time, just to have our prizes jerked away like this, can you possibly be stupid enough to think we'll stick around and do it all over again and more, PAY you for the pleasure? If our efforts are wasted, do we keep wasting them? Really? This will end your credibility with a lot of the community. Honestly, just the THREAT of this ends a lot of your credibility with me. OK, so NOW you say we can ascend our favorites, but how about the NEXT dlc? You need to retract this crap NOW. 'Oops, sorry, we're dumb'. And FURTHER, you need to PROMISE this subject doesn't come up again. I'm with Malphisto, this should not even be a DISCUSSION ITEM. Ridiculous breach of trust. Why are we still even talking about this? Trolls keep comparing this game to WoW. Moronic. In WoW you literally have a BAZILLION things to choose from and a BAZILLION unique things to do each with new and interesting rewards. You don't like your gear? CHANGE IT! You don't spend enough time with any of it to CARE that much about it. AND YOU CAN TRADE! Destiny is NOT like WoW at ALL. There's not NEARLY enough content in this game for you to ditch the old. PLUS, that's exactly why a LOT of WoW players quit playing WoW and a lot of other games like it. 'Well, they took my fun away and now they're making me grind for this new crap that sucks. Deuces.' Maybe the new stuff won't suck, but at this point, in light of the HoW gear, my hope meter is at an all time low, and even if it DOESN'T suck, what if I'd really RATHER play with the guns I've mastered. They're extensions of me now. Don't chop my hands off and tell me it will be OK because you'll sew some new ones on that I'll get used to in time and then expect me to stick around for the next chop. Maybe that's cool with you, if we don't stick around. But if so, you're not looking at the big picture. Most of the dissenters to this position say, "I'm OK with it because I'm kinda getting bored with the old gear ANYWAY." So give THEM some new stuff to play with. If it's good maybe WE'LL start playing with it too. I fail to see how letting US keep our Raid weapons in any way prevents THEM from enjoying all the new stuff you have in store for them. You don't like the old, play with the new. You don't like the new, too bad, you already had to delete all your old stuff to make room in your tiny little vault for all this new stuff you don't even like. Cheers. I wouldn't wait too long to make up your mind and announce that you've made a horrible miscalculation either. That 'you listened to us' and decided not to be scumbags. The longer I play something else, the less likely I am to care WHAT you decide. I can't remember ever going back and playing an old game after I've moved on to something else, but then again, I've never put so many hours into a game before either. Who can know? Speculate on that. You say you listen. I'm hoping you do. I haven't bought your TTK dlc, though I was about to before your little revelations this week. I won't buy it unless you change this. I know that nearly everyone I play with will either be abstaining or seeking a refund for it and are already moving on in their minds to other things. I hope you make the right choice. It's getting really hard to defend my love for this game.