Haha this whole game is a Grind.... If you wanted to to be relevant in the game when VOG was first out, You definitely had grind out the raids.. Where else were you gong to get max light? New weapons?? So far have they have been almost all completely sh!t, what's your go to weapons in PvE? fatebringer and VOC and Ghally... After two DLC's everyone is still using VOG weapons.. So until they actually make some decent weapons I'll stick with my Fatebringer..