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7/31/2015 5:41:43 PM
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About Dames: Does Segregation Promote Diversity and Equality
Do you think making a female only clan is the best way to overcome the vulgar, sexist comments and actions by (x) percentage of male gamers?
I ask to comment because I do not have an answer but looking for a solution for both the short and long term.
I completely understand the desire to just log in a play a game without unwanted attention/harassment/sexism, but question if segregation is at best solution.
I personally think at best it's a mere bandaid on a gunshot wound and at at the very worst arguments the problem.
Please keep immature, inappropriate, and vulgar comments to yourself.
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I'm gonna be blunt here but with most games there's those groups of people where a guy runs it and says "only looking for girls" meaning he is essentially trying to hook up or I don't know something else. But with the dames they are a big thing because the dames are only girls 100% girls no guys because the minite a girl joins another group and says she's a girl she's constantly being bugged by other people. being in the dames stops this it allows girls and women to enjoy gaming with out constantly being hit on. You can hate comment me all you'd like but you gotta admit I'm somewhat right.
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Same for me, I have an all Euo, Brit and Irish group..there needs to be certain clans for ceratain ppl otherwise what's so special about a clan if it doesn't have anything uniwue about it?
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23 RepliesCreating safe places for marginalized people is not the same as segregation. Just saying.
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Yes, I want as much segregation as possible
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6 RepliesFunny how no one has a problem with this when it was the Dads of Destiny. Oh, double standards.
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The better question is why there is a need for girls to create an all girl group to feel safe from sexism or an all black/Hispanic/minority group to create their own to be free from racism. For right now it is the best way until there is a better solution or when men finally get it and stop harassing them or being sexist and start respecting women, but until then that is how they are going to avoid more of the inevitable sexism.
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To many reasons to explain why the dames and any segregated clan is just stupid. But just think about it like this what if someone says they are going to make a 21 plus white male only clan and they have to join the kkk to be in the clan. Yep.....
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I know how all this drama could've been avoided [spoiler]if they stayed in the kitchen[/spoiler]
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1 ReplyThis whole idea of female only clans is idiotic, but because I'm a 35 yr old white male I am already deemed a sexist, racist, and bigot by society. It's kind of like feminist can't be sexist, and blacks, hispanics, and Asians can't be racist. Double standards are the new politically correct I guess. I have a clan I started to keep out elitist people, and have more females, black guys, and hispanics than white folks. Grow up if you can't take idiots on a mic just mute them. Use party chat at invite only. This is more of an attention grab that bungie is promoting than anything. How about promote my clan, and have us play crucible for a bounty? We are clan of all equals, but I guess equality isn't politically correct enough right?
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At the end of the day there's nothing you can do about it so let it go. But if you just want to talk about it just to have something to talk about then go ahead.
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3 RepliesThe only issue is that Bungie decided to promote them and they were terrible. If you want to promote a Jackie Robinson type to change minds and break stereotypes, you need a Jackie Robinson. Otherwise the play on the field doesn't match the respect demanded due to gender (etc.) No one would give Ronda Rousey lip, because she has earned her place.
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This is going way too far.
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1 ReplyThere's a reason why the government ended segregation in workplaces, schools, and businesses. Hiding from an issue and seeking refuge does not make it go away. It's still out there. Sometimes the only way to fix a problem is to approach it head on, like the civil rights movement, like some wars, like some petitions and boycotts. Where do you think this country would be if we never had the Boston TeaParty? If we never ended slavery? If we never fought back after Pearl Harbor? If we never forced people to coexist? If we instead just made support groups to talk about things that upset us or were unfair? Sometimes the only acceptable retaliation is action. Hiding away with like minded people offers no opportunity for progression, and just breeds hate and bias. Society needs to be diverse. It also needs to be flexible, because ideas are always a professing. It just doesn't need radicals like racists, sexists, and any other form of bigotry that hamper our evolution.
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8 RepliesOkay buckaroos, sit down and listen to momma here. I'm first and foremost a girl. Do I take pride in that? Hell yes. Do I want to be seen by only that? F-ck no. If you look at my profile you may notice something odd. All of my characters are male. "But why momma spectre?" You may ask. Well little jimbob it's because momma doesn't like getting sent friend requests by scrubs or douche nuggets just because she has flesh sacks attached to her chest. When I get friend requests from people I know it is because of my [i]skill[/i] not because of my [i]gender[/i]. And that makes me proud. I don't want to be belittled, I don't want to be seen as lesser or be given special treatment. That's why I keep my identity hidden until I see how someone acts. I observe. And if I deem them unworthy (regardless of who they are) I will leave without a second glance. Tl;dr: Shut up and play the game ♡
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It's an odd subject.I see nothing wrong with all female clans,I kinda just look past the gender aspect and think that maybe they just want like minded people they can chat freely with.Yes you can argue that this increases the divide,but until I've gamed as a female I can't really pass judgement on how some of them are treated by what is mostly a male dominated environment.
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Edited by CWard17: 8/7/2015 3:23:13 PMThe dames can all go run into a burning building, no real loss there. The issue is Bungle promoting segregation and a group that is ALL about exclusivity. It's the same as Bungle having a group on called "The Confederate Warriors" that only allowed white members. Why is it okay for Bungle to promote one exclusive group when they wouldn't another? Defend it by saying... It's not the same. Those chicks don't want to be harassed blah, blah. What if the "warriors" didn't want to play with anyone outside their "group". Both situations the clan CHOOSES deny people based on factors outside of their control. Based on that choice it's equally wrong, or equally right for both. I don't care either way. Both groups are entitled to their opinions and entitled to play and group with people of their choosing. I care that Bungle says it's alright to discriminate and it promotes those ideals. Just to throw it out there... Would the United States have ever had an African American President had people of color chosen to crawl into a cave and separate themselves from the parts of society that harassed them? Nope. However, all of the white Knights are saying these chicks should do it to avoid harassment. Seems to me that's counterproductive.
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2 RepliesEdited by suggestedpigeon: 8/3/2015 12:18:21 AMI'm not a dad do you see me whining to be a member of dads of destiny? If the dames allowed male membership would you even consider joining? Groups are formed around some kind of common ground. If that common ground is a demographic then that's fine. There is fundamentally no difference between a clan of dads a clan of women or a clan of 40 year old weeaboos.
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I don't care about a clan full of girls, probably all of them sucks or they don't even play.
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Oh my god. Why do people care so much? They want an all girls group fine, they have the right to. Just let them play the game how they want to. Same goes for the dads of destiny. I for one think it's neat that these groups made something for people with a common interest/gender. Just becauss somebody made a group with requirements you can't fufill, doesn't make it sexist. Besides it's only a [b]game[/b], don't take it to heart.
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Ok I hate when ever men are called sexist and when ever women are being harassed by sexist. Sadly that's how the world is but segregation is not the solution for such problem. If females want to be treated equally then don't separate your self from men or else your clearly supporting that they are more dominant and you don't want to show that. For the harassment just ignore it really no other option. [u]Segregation is not the answer[/u] DISCLAIMER: Don't think that I'm supporting sexist because i do not. Don't think I mean to be rude or offensive on purpose if this sounds rude or offensive at all. This is just my opinion on this matter.
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They just provide a place where they can find a group to play with away from children who don't know any better or are just asses. They are at liberty to choose who they play the game with, whether in or out of the clan (to my knowledge, seeing as I'm not a dame). Now if they were just being a bunch of assholes saying guys suck and are not worth playing the game with and don't belong, that'd be different. I don't think that is the case here.
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Edited by Relict Fox: 8/7/2015 8:43:15 AMI think women are more vicious to each other than men could ever be. I was playing eso yesterday and one gal was calling another an attention whore and what not and the one being called an attention whore was in stealth behind something in town listening in on what the other was saying. The one, now pissed off for being call an attention whore, started calling the first a slut and told her to go kill herself. Two females doing this to eachother, no male stepped in. Later a guy friend came and was acting tough and the like. Situations like this are why male gamers get the idea that chicks are drama queen in games. I feel that the reality is even though females are harassed by males in games, they harass eachother more and are more vicious to each other, just like I feel men do the same. Most times that there has been a female in game when I'm playing an online game no one makes cat calls or any of that. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, however I do feel it is over exaggerated. As for a female only clan, I'm indifferent. They could let males in and just not play with them if they choose, have it be up to each individual, and they could easily moderate it. Kick the trolls at the first sign. But then again it's not my clan and therefore not my say.
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67 RepliesOkay children listen to my words: Females are a minority. This is not up for debate, go argue it elsewhere. Now, when guys make their own clan and cut out females, or any minority, this is bad. Make sense? It's cutting people out because they're different. When females make their own clan, this is different. No guy gets hate or annoyance because of being a guy. But when a chick games and gets all the annoying comments and cat calls and sex jokes, this is abuse. [u]A female only clan is sanctuary[/u]. It's somewhere a girl can go away from all this and have a good time. Guys don't need this. So stop being so freaking butthurt and get over yourselves, I'm pretty sure this doesn't impact you at all
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1 ReplyProviding a more welcoming gaming environment will help more girls get into gaming, so in a roundabout way yes it will. I dont blame the girls for taking this step, I blame the neanderthal mentality that infests many an online gaming lobby, and the utter failure of the majority of other men to put a stop to it.
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16 RepliesI think that most females don't realize that they are playing in a male dominated world when it comes to gaming. There will be jerks, there will be nice guys. Most females get offended at the "trash talk" easily but they need to realize that all it is, is "talk." Just get over it. Talk back or just leave. Don't need to take what guys say to heart so much. Sometimes the vaginas just need to be put away......
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Let them be their thing. I'm more for co-ed clans because I find myself not liking being around girls ALL THE TIME while guys sometimes provide a break from drama and overreaction. But again, that's their business and if they want to be segregated then so be it.
