Is it me or does it appear for everyone, I mean when you see a red bar or a guy teleporting all over the place it happens that he has blink and a shotgun or is a titian that can only shoulder charge. A lot of titans only shoulder charge never using a primary, secondary or even the melee... I don't know what is worse final rounders, blink shotty or the endless shoulder charge with out a cool down... Not much is worse than nailing a titian that is charging you with 6-9 thorn shots in the head as he then shoulder charges for the kill and takes off running after his next ----you guest it 'Shoulder Charge' who needs gun skill right!? This needs to be put on cool down because it is a one shot kill and gives an unfair advantage let alone when they are red barring. Blink Shotgunners running around lagging are again an issue because the thorn burn stops when they blink with the lag, think about that you can hit a blinker with 5-6 thorns and he can blink while red bar and the burn stops making the thorn worthless as he closes in for the shotgun blast at unbelievable range with out even attempting to aim. All in all you include the Iron Lag-fest and it quickly makes the crucible match unfair and allows teams that would lose 90% of the time to win or comeback because of the lack of damage on a lagger. If they are red bar they should get a 30-45 second gap then forced to orbit if the connection does not improve--server fault or players fault doesn't matter unless it is in ToO. The reality is that they gain too much of an advantage at taking over control of large areas of the map because they take more team shooting and a large amount of rounds to kill causing a team to bunch then get spawn trapped. spend all their special ammo, and constantly reload their primary. Nothing wins a game like laggers, but what's worse is they think they earned it at the end and you suck. Some lag helps the lagger and some doesn't. If you are a squatter or like to snipe and play defensive your enemies see you first and can pick you off before they even register on your screen. The lagging favors the aggressive play style seen too much in crucible today of the Titan Shoulder Charge and Blink Shotty because the only downside to that players style is keeping them at range and putting them down before they can close the distance---the lagging prevents that defensive tactic.... So much so that I've sniped a titian in the head at about 20m away and he then missed his shoulder charge and stuck me with a grenade before dying from the head-shot. Needless to say have a titan shoulder charge and throw an undetectable grenade because of the lag is crazy enough but doing after being head shot at 20m leads one to demand bungie do something about it. If you are red bar you can no longer play in that match-up, you need to only place teams in groups where everyone is green and remove red bars in a real time basis before their team gains the advantage from aggressive lag tactics. Thanks... when you finally do something that would be normally seen as common sense!