It's weird how some people jump the bullet to protect this game . I think destiny is okay I have fun playing it sometimes until it gets boring. I will never pre-order like a jack ass again I learned my lesson . So it's hard for me to understand the fanboys and their hope that they're hanging on to. Its almost sad seriously. I think the best thing to do to get the best results is not to pre-order and wait it out and watch bungie vision panic in stupidity and maybe then everyone might get something better. Look at how desperate bungie has gotten with the suro weapon pack ? What's next the new ship pack comes with a awesome ship that does nothing !!! Limited edition mofos !!!! Just to get people to pre-order ... It's laughable really. Remember what happen to the great vangar weapons that will help you excel in missions and you will be a legend faster !!!! Well I do and it was a waste. TTK will be the last chance for bungie to redeem themselves if they don't pull this off and if they're still using their shady marketing tactics . They will end up shooting themselves on the foot and hopefully those blind fanboys will realize that they been taking it in the ass raw. But who knows they might like that , maybe they been raise to bend over to companies who knows . The point is that the fanboy stupidity is just hurting my pocket because if I want a cool thing I have to pay extra for some crap that does nothing because they're willing to pay 50 dollars more. They're just putting lip stick on a pig really so hopefully one day some of you guys realize that you're getting screw over really hard. Again maybe you like that feeling so if that's the thing then whatever. I'm just going to wait and see what the out come is, if it sucks that's a shame and move on to another game simple as that .