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None of the reasons you listed seem overpowered to me. 1. The gun is niche because its perk makes it better than any other weapon of its class against only a few instances in the game. You mention NF but BH isn't great against every strike boss. Let's go ahead and list them: 2 instances of Fallen Walker and the Cabal tank. No one goes up and close during NF against Walkers or the tank, that is stupid. So what do they expect to address by this change? Nothing will change. Players will still sit back and snipe from far away. The design of this level is what makes sniping optimal, not the fact that BH is broken. Any other high impact sniper would tear down Walkers as well. Hammer just makes it easier. That ease is what makes BH a special weapon only acquired through raids. Moving bosses with crit spots (Skolas, Aksor, Phogoth, Urok). Optimal only at certain stretches. Still have to clear adds and all the rest where BH is more of a liability. During NF, only works against Aksor but you're better off using Gally anyway. Urok works all the time though shotties are still a good option over it due to Wizards. You can pull off the stunlock on dragon strikes but that shaves only 5-10 minutes at most. Its use is niche. It is not broken. 2. VoG there is only Atheon and MAYBE Gatekeeper. Its use against Gatekeeper is questionable because the time to shoot is short and you have to take out the bubble. Plus, during that time, you're better off using a rocket anyway. Against Atheon yes. But at this point, ANYTHING takes Atheon out in 5 minutes (1-2 trips). Hammer is not making the fight significantly easier, that is to say, it makes it easier but the difference is negligible. As for Crota? LMAO. Really, shooting down the majors is what makes it overpowered? LOL. Okay there. I don't even use Hammer in Crota, it's useless or, rather, about as good as your average sniper rifle. I use my Spear and Benevolence instead. Hammer is not broken in Crota. At all. 3. PoE. I'll give you certain bosses like Urok due to the solar burn and the servitors. Everything else it is your average sniper. Against Skolas you're moving so much you pick up ammo fast either way. Any other sniper would do just as good. Plus, you're better off with shotties at certain stretches due to the captains with ARC shield. In EVERY OTHER LEVEL, BH is absolutely useless. All those mine clearing levels and targets, BH is a liability. So it is good in 1 out of 5 levels. Big deal. Not broken at all. 4. What the hell are you even making this point for? My point is that so what if BH helps shave time off players' playtime because it can stunlock a few bosses? That doesn't make it overpowered. 5. Black Hammer is the definition of a situational gun. It was just good against certain bosses. I only ever equipped it against the boss sections of certain strikes and Atheon CP. That was it. I never used it anywhere else because truth be told, the weapon is simply not that great. Every other time, you're better off with a field scout/clown cartridge/supply sniper or a shottie. Now they made the gun, a raid exclusive that is harder to obtain than most (aka it should be better than most legendary snipers just like how Fatebringer craps all over other legendary HCs) into your average sniper with an inferior triple tap+outlaw and the crappy ungodly mulligan perk. Congrats Bungie for ruining an otherwise perfectly fine weapon.
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  • I'm not even gonna read your dumb points. I'm honestly tired of arguing with you because you apparently are too stupid to understand the concept of overpowered. If you legitimately don't see free ammo (which no other sniper gets) on a high impact sniper (more DPS on bosses) with a 3 round clip (easier to get the crits) as overpowered, then you need some help. There's nothing balanced about a gun that has a unique perk that is better than any other perk on any sniper for PvE.

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  • AKA I don't have any counter arguments so I'm just gonna flame away instead of replying with constructive points. The ammo is not free, you have to land 3 crit spots to refill the mag. If it was infinitely free than you would have a point but that's not the case. The gun is a hard to acquire gun, exclusive to a raid, so that means it SHOULD be better than most legendaries. That is why Fatebringer craps all over legendary HCs. Let's nerf that as well okay? Because its use in PvE is very high, practically every FT I join there are at least 2 players with a maxed FB. The definition of overpowered is something you would have almost no incentive to use over the aforementioned weapon. That is the case with Gally and heavies. No point in using Dragon or Truth when it outdamages that by a mile. Black Hammer? It is situational. You would use Icebreaker during certain spots (Crota maze run, VoG oracles, heavy ammo glitch), field scout/clown cartridge/supply/firefly during other spots (PoE mine levels, every raid section not named Atheon, every strike section not counting walkers/tank/bosses). In other words, BH is a niche weapon. It was good against bosses and saw its use there but completely outclassed elsewhere. You could only get more niche than that if you count the Red Death being used by players to recover HP in the Crota HM when it used to be hard. Otherwise, BH is the most niche weapon in the game. Feel free to return to your shell bud, come back when you actually have a real counter argument.

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  • Or its because I don't want to sit on the forums and argue with some random person who doesn't even have their account linked for 3 hours about a broken gun when I've given full evidence on why it is broken. I don't care if you don't believe it or not, it's getting its rightful nerf whether you want it to or not. Didn't read your last 2 posts, and I'm not gonna read any more, so go throw yourself a party because you think you won an Internet argument. Just saying, having the last word doesn't mean you win an argument. You can be as stubborn as you want, but this weapon update will fix so many issues with the game, and is the best one to date.

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  • You've given evidence of why you believe it is broken and I've countered it with my own points to which you couldn't make a single rebuttal other than to keep saying that infinite ammo (not really infinite) is overpowered. This isn't about winning an argument (LOL) over the Internet. I'm at the Bungie forum because as a player I have my own views on the matter. You happen to disagree with me yet when faced with counter arguments all you can do is flame away and resort to "it's happening deal with it" like a child. I know it's happening and I want to let Bungie know why it shouldn't happen. I haven't linked my account and that somehow makes my points irrelevant? Good one. I've played more than enough to know that BH is more than fine as it is. I don't care to check other people's profiles like that somehow validates their opinion. Some of the weapon updates I'm okay with. Gally. Thorn. TLW. My quip is with the BH and IB, both of which didn't deserve a nerf at all other than Bungie's intention to artificially (once again) increase playing time by nerfing players' tools and not making the game more inherently challenging. If you're not reading my posts than stop replying to them. Seems hypocritical of you to do so. If you don't want to stop wasting time arguing than don't either. Do whatever floats your boat.

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