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7/18/2015 7:38:40 PM
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Bungie. When will the abuse stop?
Many of you may have heard of the recent weapon balancing announcement. It is also probably true that many of you cried tears of joy to hear that Thorn was getting nerfed and that shot package won't have the power of a freaking death star anymore. It is also VERY possible that while you were crying these tears of joy, you overlooked a portion of the update that is saddening and quite frankly, insulting to the Destiny community.
The nerf of blackhammer, icebreaker and Ghorn is an absolute junk punch to the players of Destiny, particularly those who love PVE. Let me explain.
Nerfing thorn and shotguns and tweaking blink are VERY necessary changes as highlighted by the amount of discussion throughout the community and data showing that they are simply just warping the PVP meta. So Bungie, THANK YOU FOR NERFING THESE GUNS. However, I don't think I have ever seen one player PLEAD that his blackhammer become a sucky sniper with an extremely small magazine size, small amounts of reserve ammo and a perk that doesn't reward skill to combat those downsides. Nor have I ever seen one icebreaker owner say PLEASE BUNGIE THIS GUN IS TO OP! Yet these nerf are happening as a result of what BUNGIE wants and not what we as players want. On one hand (the pvp thorn situation) Bungie listens and responds, on the other hand Bungie says, "screw you guys for not playing the game exactly how we want you to play it."
What is even more alarming to me is the reasoning that Bungie uses to justify these decisions. On the thorn side of the equation Bungie has data and about 100000000 Guardians all spamming youtube, reddit, forums and other media complaining about how thorn breaks the game and how Fellwinters is a little shit bag in and of itself. THIS IS a justifiable reason to make changes to a weapon.
However, Bungie does not adequately justify the nerf of our PVE beloved weapons. Let's take a quote from their update. "We’ve all done it. Hunker down in the back of the map with your lunch box, picnic table, a sci-fi paperback, and Ice Breaker. Kill all the enemies, wait for more to show up, kill those ones too, put a few shots on the boss, make a sandwich, finish the strike, and then collect your reward-that-isn’t-Hawkmoon and move on." Earth to Bungie. This is how snipers intend to play the game. Wait for the perfect shot, be methodical and patient and then fire. Just because that's the style we like to play does not mean that you should change that. Let the crazy fools with shotguns and ghorns run around guns a blazing because that's what they like to do, and let the snipers sip on some team and take brains because that's what they like to do.
This weapon nerf is not all I want to talk about and I don't want to go into to much more detail about how dumb it is and will be. I want to highlight how the announcement of this weapon tuning is just another link in a chain of behaviors by Bungie that have been insulting to us as a loyal fan base.
I don't even know where to start. How about we start with Ass Hat and the taken king. I'm sure you all know who I am referring to when I say Ass Hat. He's been labeled as such within our community, why? Because he literally thinks that he can show up to work, take a dump in a bag and call it Destiny's next great expansion and we will all pull out our wallets and pay for it. Part of this is our fault as compulsive gamers, but really Bungie? REALLY?!?!?!
Then as an apology letter to the community, they respond by doing almost nothing and then insulting us by giving us the option to get a new emblem. OOOOOOO and emblem? One that if you haven't been playing the game for a long time will require a HUGE amount of time. Thanks but no thanks.
To top it all off, this week Xur shows up with the biggest piece of crap inventory I have ever seen. After much anticipation, Bungie sadly says, "oops it's not safe to fix Xur at this time." SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?! I would not be surprised if whoever is in charge of Xur just had some unclaimed PTO and didn't show up to work that day. BUT YOU ALL ARE GAME DEVELOPERS. Xur is literally a bunch of code sitting in some server. Open the code, type GJALLAHORN into the string of code, hit enter and go home to enjoy the rest of the weekend while the community that you should love (but clearly don't) rejoices!
On the note of Ghorn, their reasoning for the nerf is that players select fireteams based on if you have a ghorn or not. PLEASE comment if you have beaten Atheon, Crota, the crappy story missions, POE etc, without a g horn. I know I have. It took me eons to get one.
That being said, all I have is one more question for the Destiny community. Have you got your red bull yet? Ha! What a joke. Bungie, the corporate monster that cares only about it's pocket.
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I think even with the boss fight variation with TTK the battles are still about damage and mobs. Needing PVE weapons was a terrible idea. Ghally is is probably the only OP weapon in Pve...but even ghally doesn't Insta win most loss fights. Anyone who has completed a 34 or 35 PoE will tell you those yellow fallen majors and servitor a laugh off ghally shots. The answer would have been a quiet buff on the enemies. Ice breaker is even worse. Ice breaker like Suros is an entry level exotic that helps newer/less experienced guardians complete endgame activities. All the tuning does is make a grindy game a little grindier for those players. Bad bad bad Bungie. I agree with the Pvp tuning. Buffing ARs will help newer crucible players.
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I'm with you bro. Save the PVE guns!!!
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1 ReplyYea I am pretty disappointed in the Ghorn, Icebreaker, black hammer and all PVE weapons that everyone seems to love. I understand pvp been a little unbalanced because of guns like the thorn which is getting a tiny nerf to range which in reality isn't that big of a deal but main PVE weapons like I mentioned before DO NOT need to be touched especially the icebreaker which had already received a nerf making its reload 8 seconds from its initial 5 which I think is bullshit. Please reconsider the nerf on PVE weapons!
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1 ReplyYou see theres always guns that everyone wants like thorn, gally, TLW, etc. Or even legendaries like the fatebringer or black hammer. It seems like Bungie thinks its a bad thing that we are only focusing on a few guns and ditching most of the guns they worked for like the plan c (any fusion rifles except foil), truth, bad juju, pocket infinity, suros, etc. So I dont know whether to agree with Bungie or not cause I agree that its stupid that everyones using the same thing and not using most of the other exotics. But I also like the idea of people grinding raids and nightfalls for weapons cause be honest guys, its exciting. Dont you guys all have that feeling right when the templar goes down? "Come on fatebringer fatebringer GIMME THE FATEBRINGER" you dont get it and your like "oh well I'll try again next week or on another character." But when you DO get it you ROAR OF JOY. So I really think they should upgrade our weapons we worked for cause I was really trying to get black hammer but now I kinda give up cause they're nerfing it AND ITS NOT GONNA BE USEFULL IN TAKEN KING. WHY BOTHER NERFING IT?! I mean if your not gonna have us upgrade it then why bother nerfing it we're not gonna use it anyways.
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3 RepliesThe nerfs are pretty justified in my opinion. Starting with black hammer: almost all bosses are HUGE and have HUGE crit spots, making the precision shots easy for anyone who knows how to play an fps. No one uses black hammer for lower tier enemies, which take more skill to snipe. They're adding more ammo as well, which is fair and allows more shots. Do you want a boss encounter where you just sit in the corner and endlessly unload on a boss with a mile wide crit spot? Doesn't sound too fun, does it? Ice breaker was never really a game changer to begin with. The recharging ammo is nice for bosses, but there isn't any other situation in the game where a regenerating magazine and no reserve ammo is useful (excluding cheeses and staying on the spawn for the oracles in vog). The bonus of the gun is to unload for a few seconds when you come across an important or strong target and let the mag regen. It isn't meant to let people camp for ages where they can't get shot and it makes gameplay dull and unexciting. Finally, Gjallarhorn. This gun is op. Period. It MELTS strike bosses and has an unreal dps. The nerf to the Wolfpack rounds are justified because it will cut down on people relying on it for difficult encounters. I've beaten crota, atheon, and skolas without ANY tracking rockets with little trouble. The problem arises when you get unskilled people who demand everyone has a Gjallarhorn. This gun was meant to be a powerhouse weapon, not an easy way out in difficult situations. Sorry for that little rant but posts like this really piss me off. Pve is supposed to be difficult and if you can burn through it with a gun then the gun needs to be nerfed.
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Edited by Brennus79: 8/30/2015 9:41:57 AMThey want avoid that Boss Campers. I see that allways in Nexus some of them dont want beat the Boss Normal they go to a higher Place to camp and snipe it. And what happens the two other who play it normally, they dont get the Bounty because one Egoistic lazy camping Sniper who is not enough Skilled to beat a boss without a savepoint with Sniperoption. They should kill all the Guardians who go outside of the Map for they learn to play right and not too glitch or cheat. Same like in the Raids, i would remove all the loot for the people who glitch inside a door or over a bridge. Savepoints with Sniperoptions like in Nexus is cheating!!! To beat Atheon without gally is more easy than with. Maybe with Gally it is faster if you have luck and it works at first time. Extrem good advise is our favorite for Atheon and the Oracles. Works on first run with non Expierianced Players. Only the 2 Relict holder need Expierianc to use it. At crota you are right the best Weapon there is gally. To beat Skolas a Gally is not importand, it more depends on the modificators. Sometimes the best is Thunderlord wih Arcus buff or Hawkmoon with Prrimary weapon buff or with 3 Sunsinger on Grenades Buff. Sure Gally is the best for Skolas if it has a Solar buff. I like to play an Exotic primary weapon thats why i mostly play with Crotas Rocket Launcher.
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6 RepliesI'm sorry but the stupid last word needs a bigger nerf than the thorn
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PvE is player versus the AI. Why do you think they took off the burns to Skolas? They want to make PvE harder not just PoE wise.
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Too bad none of this matters and you are just writing a range induced comment because OH NO MY GUNS THAT MAKE EVERYTHING EASY ARE GONNA BE NERFED!!! Bungie said almost every year 1 finis gonna be useless and replaced by year 2 weapons sooooo
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2 RepliesI'm going to give it to everyone straight. Bungie said that all year one gear would be unable to upgrade, therefore meaning that the nerf shouldn't affect everyone as much as you think it will, since all year one gear won't matter when the taken king drops
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1 ReplyThe problem is we are using the weapons as a ranking system. Trying to only do raids with people who have a ice breaker or a black hammer
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The ghorn nerf isn't gonna do shit to the gun. It's literally just 10% less damage in the Wolfpack rounds, nothing else. The icebreaker and black hammer nerfs are complete bs though
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Pfffft they'll bring those pve guns up to year 2 values, don't you worry It'll be the secret selling point of a future DLC only $25 preorder now!!!
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4 RepliesBlack hammer maybe if they nerfed it to have four shots a mag and you had to land persuasion hits like that or something I might just might be ok with it but they went to far with making it take ammo from the reserve. TOO FAR!!!
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I cannot stand for this abuse any longer. I expect bungie to send me a cheque to fully pay for the therapy I am currently going through. My psyche can only take so many nerfs and buffs before I snap. I'm STILL recovering from the PTSD of the auto rifle nerf. We should take to the streets in a glorious red parade and bring forth a revolution, to stop the oppressiveness of game companies who have THE AUDACITY to take creative control of the games they make. Their oppression only stands if we let it guys. Bring back power to the people who play the game and also have the option to play it, not the people who have worked their whole lives to make their own worlds the way they see fit, like, who do they think they are?
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10 RepliesThis is the #1 thing I find so annoying about the gjallahorn nerf. Not the nerf itself but people so ignorant to let gjallahorn get nerfed... First of all they arent nerfing g-horn itself. Just the wolfpack round (If you read the forum post on this you would know). The other reasons why they did it were A.) People were getting excluded for not having a specific weapon to complete things (Gjallahorn) B.) There intentions was for us to mix up a variety of guns to complete a difficult task.. Not just have to rely on one gun. Ice breaker nerf was not needed but its called strategizing your shots So before people go and make a big deal saying these nerfs are stupid. How about you work with what you got and become a better player because a actual "good player" doesn't have to rely on just one primary, special, or rocket launcher...
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Yah keep in mind according to my calculations made on my dusty chalkboard that by by year 10 of destiny so in 2024 there will be 40 dlc packs with each one more expensive then the last
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9 RepliesYou forgot to mention the fact that bungie is not going to allow us to upgrade our old gear in the new dlc. They are basically making it obselete.
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1 ReplyYes YES!!! I have a first row seat to bungies corruption and broken RNG effect. Hand me a bucket Luke Smith, its about to rain up in this forum
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1 ReplyHow about if your gonna whine and you don't like this game then go and find a new one and don't waste your time complaining.
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DONT NERF THORN PLEASE Think about it... Any player in the game can get all weapons so why would we NERF them if it completely fair? A player can get thorn if they try hard and turn in bounties. Just my view
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Preach it.
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BUMP!!!
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#PreachIt
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I have never gotten a ghorn
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When will the abuse stop? How about on our side? When will we stop abusing Bungie when they're just trying to do their jobs
