Why oh why can't people do the VoG even at 33+..? Just joined a group and they're all bitching about how hard the raid is, Crota is way easier and they're trying cheeses. It sounded like their first month trying it. Seriously - do some research (probably takes half the time it did to try a cheese that's been patched). People who play this game want something for literally nothing other than a Google search. Learn the strats, give it a go an not only potentially feeling good about achieving something you may not look like a bunch of twats. Fml, flippin teenagers these days.