I really don't see why this is getting nerfed at all. Who can convince me? It makes no sense...
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Edited by Rokon: 7/17/2015 9:39:52 PMSimple. Any weapon that grants essentially infinite ammo for skilled precision should only be reserved for an Exotic weapon, and it already has: The Ice Breaker. For a Guardian who's skilled with precision shots, there is almost zero downsides for using the Black Hammer to its fullest potential. There needs to be a downside. No reload is good enough. Infinite ammo is not. If the Ice Breaker and Black Hammer both attacked Valus Ta'arc, the Black Hammer would still outdamage the Ice Breaker in a given minute, assuming all shots are precision shots.
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It means there is something as unimaginative coming in TTK they don't want you to blackhammer the shit out of
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Well its op in PvE? And it has unlimited bullets if u dont miss a crit. Its op
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Bungie deployed new anticheese
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You can stun lock pretty much any boss in the game and shoot at them infinitely with no reloading or loss of ammo. If you think that's a fun game them you need to go see a doctor.
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A weapon that lets you sit in a corner and just kill a boss in seconds, specially of your friends have it too. I dont get how people will say this is a bad thing, with special ammo loader you can get up to (for the sake of argument) 30 rounds into a boss. Take into affect that it does a nice chunk od damage and you will still be able to down a boss stupid fast. Its not a big deal, because I often have special lying around everywhere
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I say increase damage of ice breaker but keep the nerf, and decrease the damage of black hammer but keep white nail as is.
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It wasn't supposed to provide infinite ammo, it was supposed to automatically reload the magazine.
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It was a legendary performing greater than any exotic. It allowed for you to be using essentially two exotics at once. It's sad but makes perfect sense
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The white nail perk made it more useful than Ice Breaker. Black Hammer felt more like an exotic than an exotic sniper and I don't think that was intended.
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It's simple, no legendary gun should out shine an exotic. Black hammer was replacing icebreaker because you could fire continuously. What I don't get is why nerf icebreaker when the point was to make black hammer less effective than it...I chalk this up to Bungie being Bungie
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Well it'll mean longer runs now. Less crucible and more pve. That sucks. I hate how long it takes to do this pve stuff. What's wrong with doing things quickly? I get well pissed off with the length of time some of these activities take. Raids r ok as they have check points Poe is a total no go for me after 28 as they take to long to complete. I just can't be arsed with em. The black hammer is the only real nerf/adjustment that's bugged me. I just don't get the Robles with doing things fast? There's loads to do, for me I love crucible. Get the norm done and off to fight.
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It's not our fault bosses don't fight back... I never understood why major bosses can be stunlocked. Just give them angry or something. Make Valus shoot more rockets. Make Sepiks teleport more often or shoot at you in general, and fix the window glitch. Make the range at which the spider tank can shoot you farther. Make it so all players have to jump down to start the Sekiron fight. Make Aksor teleport more aggressively. All of these could've been easy alternative fixes to boss fights so that sniping is harder.
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You mean other than the fact it was an infinite ammo having never reloading hits harder than Ice Breaker beast of a weapon? Are you serious?
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Stunlocks strike bosses. Explained
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Edited by Seraph: 7/17/2015 6:20:39 PMA Legendary Sniper rifle should not out perform an Exotic one and since Icebreaker got a severe Nerf.... In all seriousness, certain year 1 weapons are so powerful that Bungie doesn't know how to top them without building new weapons that will completely break the game. Bungie have also expressed frustration that a lot of players would rather stick with these OP weapons than use new ones. This patch is about breaking everyone's favourite toys so that The Taken King's 'new' loot looks more attractive.
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it's OP case closed
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It did to much damage now it doesn't?
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All this is going to do is make strikes/poe longer. Technically you can still do all the same things with the BH, but I may have to use a green synth and/or wait for the cool down. I don't want to make it longer. I just want to enjoy the flipping black hammer. Now it will rot away in my vault. Which I suppose was the goal of the nerf.
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Black Hammer is a great weapon, and situationally is a a top 3 pve choice but it wasn't broken to a point that it needed such a severe nerf. With fast reload built into the perk tree, white nail essentially provides no significant advantage after the nerf. All your left with is a high impact rifle... I'd rather pull out one of my old field scout rifles with 24 bullets....
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I never got a black hammer, and since xur doesn't sell it, it's just fair that it will get nerfed.
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Skolas defeated in five minutes. Go to the left, kill sevator, unload black hammer. Switch to gally unload, pop a synth, unload, dismantle mines, done. Inflated play time.
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Bc people only use it on slow moving easy crit spots on bosses. People bitch bc the game is soooo easy now. They're making it tougher. A solar night fall with VoC, Black Hammer, Gally takes like 7 minutes and nightfalls aren't supposed to be like that so they're making the game more interesting. That being said I don't like the nerf bc I'll never use black hammer again I'd rather use a higher impact larger mag size sniper than one that just instant reloads.
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At the rate this is going, the only way we could kill enemies is to knife them. [spoiler]Or throw money at them until they die.[/spoiler]
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[spoiler][i]Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.[/i][/spoiler]
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All these nerfs are to slow down the game. More time sitting around waiting for Ice Breaker now. More time looking for ammo cause Black Hammer just burns through it now. More time shooting the boss cause Gally shoots tickles instead of rockets now. The game has very little content so they have to artificially pad it any way they can.