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7/15/2015 3:26:09 PM
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I agree, but with respect, I believe you've got the pricing set a bit high, OP.
An Etheric Light improves a HoW weapon about 10% more than its base. It improves a TDB weapon about 10% over its original max, and an original weapon about 20% over its original max. This is true both of the simple attack power numbers and the hit numbers you'll roughly see if you run tests on your own.
An entire weapon, the most expensive thing for sale, costs 150 marks from a vendor. Why would I pay 200 marks to improve that same weapon by such a comparatively small amount?
To be proportionally in line with what Etheric Light *actually does*, the cost should be more like 15-25 marks, or about the same percentage that it improves the piece, if you follow.
I mean, really. Etheric Light and the way that it has been implemented is very poor. Seriously, it is THE only reason I run POE 34 and 35 anymore. In addition to always dropping in POE, and at all levels, it should have been buyable with either marks, as you suggest, or Motes of Light or both.
Motes of Light would probably be the more consistent choice now, consistent with the way that materials from dismantling used to be recyclable into upgrades and now they're not. Etheric Light should have been dismantleable for rep or exchangeable for glimmer or another token type (again, Motes or even weapon/armor parts being the obvious consistency choice), if only to stop the humblebraggers from groaning about how much excess they have.
Overall, Etheric Light is the same grind that planetary materials used to be before they wised up and changed it. That's all it is and exactly what it is. A boring, repetitive task--a cheap trick, cheap in the same way planetary materials were and are--for a marginal improvement to your gear.
Getting it is the same as running circles on planet farming routes used to be on release. To think of it like this big expensive thing or some badge of an elite player is just making a mockery out of the idea that it was even worth the effort. It should be changed in the same way that planetary materials were changed--gettable by a wide variety of means rather than only one.
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I agree that my pricing is high, but I feel the high price is the only way this gets considered. Any cheaper and we run the risk of pulling players away from PoE & ToO which is not my intent. This is supposed to be a supplement to those content, not an exclusive path. I also feel like Etheric Light is more valuable than gear that can be bought at the vendors, which also justifies its price point. I'd rather spend 200 marks on Etheic Light to upgrade Fatebringer than 150 on some shit gun or 125 on some shit helmet. Also, it's more valuable than 175 marks for a stupid -blam!-ing sparrow. But, thanks for discussing it like an adult and not just telling me I'm wrong and that I should "git gud."
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I can certainly see the angle of your reasoning on cost there: perceived value. My own argument would be that POE and TOO should be compelling enough stand on their own; they shouldn't be forms of blackmail to enjoy the rest of the game at max level, as planetary farming used to be. I don't play Trials myself (and I likely wouldn't PvP at all if the game didn't effectively force me to), but while no doubt some people would cry if you, say, even removed Etheric Light completely from the rewards table there, I do doubt there'd be any significant dip in attendance. TOO has plenty of stuff to go for in it--the emblems, the weapons, the unique-looking armor, the Lighthouse. People are going to want that crap no matter what. And it would probably be as popular even if there were even less visible rewards than that. It appeals to a certain mindset that simple gear rewards don't factor much into, as I see it. I could be wrong and frequently am, of course. POE, on the other hand, lost its novelty pretty quickly and completely fails to have a reward structure that justifies running it over and over again. You're probably right that removing Etheric Light from the reward table (or giving a better alternative) there would lead to a large drop in attendance. On the other hand, why is that a bad thing? If it's bad content it shouldn't be rewarded by repeated visits, and we players shouldn't be punished by having to make repeated visits. I can easily imagine a reward structure that would make POE worth replaying. They just didn't include one. The Etheric Light thing is just a cheap artificial extender on it. I frequently wonder if these guys ever actually play any other games that learned these lessons years ago. Some days I even wonder if they play the one they're making.
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Edited by BoomerSooner51: 7/15/2015 7:59:00 PMI fully agree that the new endgame content should be able to stand on its own. But I've also seen many posts from people who feel like they can't get their hands on enough Etheric Light. They, for whatever reason, simply can't gather it in the quantities that some players do. This idea allows them another avenue to grab another few using marks that aren't being used for anything else. It would also give players who didn't purchase HoW another way to acquire this material. Players hated, I mean DESPISED, farming for planetary materials so Bungie implemented a marks for mats exchange. Farming those materials was a very simplistic task that anyone could do but players hated it with a passion because it was mind numbingly boring. Etheric Light can't even be farmed easily unless you can gather a group of players to take on PoE or ToO. It's much harder to acquire than planetary materials, which would imply that an exchange would suit this material very well. Lastly, you know as well as I do that the bad content in this game, cough cough crucible cough cough, gets plenty of repeat visits because the sheer number of players in this game makes this possible. I'm simply creating another avenue for Etheric Light to be used by players to help if they've had a bad week in PoE or ToO or just to supplement the poor bastards like me who didn't/won't buy the DLCs.
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Oh, for sure. And man am I fed up with people who can't see a situation other than their own on this issue. I'm frankly very lucky to be in a situation where I even CAN farm for this at all, regularly. So many posts amount to "I got mine, so f*** you". Just about every other thing that has historically been required (the lone exception being Crota materials) to upgrade gear, has been gettable through multiple activities that could be soloed. Why they thought abandoning that was a fine idea is beyond me.
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[quote]And man am I fed up with people who can't see a situation other than their own on this issue.[/quote] If you've read enough of the comments on this post, you know this is extremely true. I don't know if I can blame it on this generation of kids, I know many short sighted adults of my generation. I can't usually let it go either. Usually I'm an asshole in response. The back and forth gets the post continually bumped and therefore more views and more comments. Also, I enjoy angry arguing. It'll probably give me a heart attack.
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You nailed it...like you said, Etheric Light and the way it is implemented is very poor. Wish they still had shards and energies over that crap
