You sir, or madam, obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Or, you are just one of those typical PvE fanboys who thinks shooting scripted AI is even comparable to having a gunfight with a weapon that can kill you before you know what has happened to you. It is people like you - who find ridiculous ways to get butthurt over other people - who give a bad name to PvE players (i.e. Unskilled botkillers). Now, seeing as how the majority of games that come out for all consoles are player vs environment as well as player verses player, are you saying that every single one of the people who play solely PvE , the ones who play on the hardest difficulties but are still relatively simple because there are usually walk through videos and ways to beat the level including cheesing, are even comparable to the player verses player arena that you have to face actual humans on a relatively even playing field who potentially have better weapons, smarter and stronger than you? Because that is the most idiotic thing I've read today. New flash buddy, fighting in the same arenas over and over again, playing against people who might be better than you, forced to adapt to a given situation, going against OP weapons, lagswitchers, final round snipers, blink shot gunners, camping snipers, supers, learning tactics that are forcibly practiced and repeated constantly does take skill, yes. But, it is something that is learned and you must master before you can become good at it and have a counter action for every tactic that might come your way and hope the enemy team doesn't find another counter. It is fun, it is challenging, and it [i]kinda does[/i] make you better than someone shooting bots all day. It's just something you are good at that other people can't master because they shoot thralls all day and don't push themselves to become good at something. Please try to refrain from your lesser instincts to argue something that is obviously a losing battle.