I'm not saying that you have to have skill. I'm saying that IB and ToO were part of year one. And like you said. People should have at least tried them since they want us to experience the full game. Also you get emblems for beating crota hardmode. And skolas 35. And many more pve emblems. It's not like those pvp emblems are the only exclusive emblems. Anyways. I'll make it easier for you so we don't go back and forth. Here's a link to my post explaining why IB and ToO should have been part of the triumphs. Go there and the. Tell me why you still disagree.