Never seen them but if the ONLY run thorn and matador then they're noobs in every player who has gotten thorn and still chose other weapons for the versatility offered in combat. I don't NEED to be in the same small area as someone else to kill them, but people who suck at aiming abuse the -blam!- out of thorn, people who aren't good enough to be diverse players, or use different styles of combat. Super noobs.