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7/2/2015 9:28:21 AM
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Major weapon imbalance in Iron Banner (and Crucible)
When in nearly all the games of Iron banner I have played recently (this IB and the last one), what stands out is the lack of variety of weapons that people are using.
75% of people are using TLW, Thorn, Matador 64, Party Crasher +1, Felwinter's Lie
Now these are all powerful guns in regular crucible, but when these are pretty much the only guns you see in IB, then there's a problem. Why?
Referring back to the Start of Destiny when everybody was using auto rifles, and they were OP, then it was the vex, then it was hand cannons, lately there was a resurgence of the vex when the patch 1.20 I think didn't implement the updates correctly.
My point is generally when such a large percentage of people are using such a select few weapons its usually because they are overpowered compared to other weapons. Let's be honest you can pretty much snipe with the above mentioned shotguns, the Thorn DOT is half the reason people use it, and TLW, well that's just ridiculous.
You look at all the other guns in the game and their stats reflect how they perform, what I mean in Felwinter's has a massive range, and the gameplay reflects that. But TLW? Has next to no range on its stats, yet can rapid fire cross map? One or the other, you can't have both. And the other point is that it is so inconsistent, I cannot understand how I rapid fire TLW at close-mid range and cannot get a kill, yet other people can rapid fire at long range and get the perfect three shot. Consistency please...?
Anyway it'd be nice if we can get some tweaks for the above guns, that'd be nice and make the game, especially IB, more fairer and competitive...
Post your thoughts below!
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1) Tweak Thorn DoT 2) Increase range drop-off on TLW 3) Reduce range CAP on shotguns (not an across the board percentage nerf which would hurt shotguns with low base range) 4) Buff auto rifles before TTK so that brand-new players can have a chance in Crucible with Destiny's higher skill gap. I think TTK will bring a breath of fresh air to PvP. Most players at this point are veterans with at least one "Teir 1" PvP weapon. Many of these weapons (excluding Thorn at it's current state) require practice to use to their maximum efficiency, and are deadly when used as such. Of course people are going to use them.
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Blink shotgun is ruining crucible. The fact that Bungie has let this go on as long as it has is beyond me. I can't believe this was their vision for crucible, people -blam!-ing disappearing and getting shotgun kills from the middle of the -blam!-ing air
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3 RepliesEdited by juicehead2004: 7/2/2015 11:43:33 PMI disagree with this to a point.. I've run into a bunch of different weapons this IB.. Thorn, Hawkmoon,TLW,Red Death,Messenger,Vex,Spare change ,Bad juju, Ill Will, 3LW..,Mida,, ect... I think people just complain bout Thorn and TLW cause that's what they notice getting killed by cause everyone's complaining about them.. I don't feel either are excessively used by everyone at all.. People are just crybabies and think whatever they are using should be the best gun and kill the fastest.. Just shut up and play the game and either learn to counter Thorn or Last Word or go get one and start trying to use it effectively.. Odds are u just suck with them and are pissed other people don't so you're crying about it..
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I love my shotguns but honestly they do need to be toned down a little bit
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I'm having more of a problem this IB with blink bladedancers then I am with Thorn and TLW. I feel the crucible in general needs to take a week a off so bungie can fix everything and anything
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Bungie need to do something with all exotic handcannons(if they just nerf TLW and thorn - all players just pick up Hawkmoon, so Hawkmoon is problem too)to make them fair. And after that they need to do something with all weapons that have 0,7-0,8 ttk or faster(I think that scouts like gheleon are fair because they required 3 headshots and this is not easy to do - cause aim assist and head hitboxes on scouts cannot be compared with handcannons). Because if holy trio will be nerfed we just get Red Messenger/Vex era. So we have six obvious problems right now - Exo HCS, Red Death, Messenger(and all pulses of same impact- Three little words, Stranger rifle etc) and Vex. Bonus: Good sheet with ttks - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L7FV9l4hXo2tHD3XlFUp854XvJIwTKFIPvASLduPPS4/edit#gid=0
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At one point I was running bad juju and the spear and kickass
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3 RepliesMost statistics are made up on the spot. Also those guns aren't as good as they are drummed up to be. If people didn't cry about them so much, then people probably wouldn't use them so much
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So why not have pre set class set ups so people have to use what the devs want us to. Oh wait i am sry that would be treating us like little kids with no responsibility. Oh wait that's half the forums these days Result: hand cannon my favorite weapon nerfed into infinity. Plus auto rifles getting buff which is deserved but I don't see why they can just increase the time to kill with tlw, thorn. End thought This community sucks Second thought it's not the community's Fault that weapons are op on purpose Third thought Bungie conspiracy The end
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11 Repliesumm mabye if this community wasnt all cry babies and started using the crutches to hold them selves up we would see other guns ive had my last word since the second month ive always used it
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This is a really nice post and I would have to say I agree 100%. It had come to another point in Destiny where a majority of players are all using the same guns and ruining the integrity of destiny. If I wanted to play a game where everybody uses the same gun, I would play call of duty. There needs to be a patch, or something to resolve these pvp issues.
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If auto rifles get a little damag buff there will likely be less hand cannons. Auto rifle are there to put pressure on others in the game but cant because of the second nerf.
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4 RepliesIn case you haven't noticed, they stealth buffed auto rifles
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3 RepliesEdited by Squidwood4513: 7/2/2015 9:37:01 AMYou forgot to mention red death everyone is using that gun as well and it op. All guns are op in there own way. Besides autos they could be buffed.
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And deej said using the same gun was boring... well they have no known plans before ttk to change that which is rediculous. I get balance needs work but damn they actually need to do some work
